Posts by DarioKehl

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Warwick project Lilly white why

by poopie in

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why are most of these building projects lilly white

DarioKehl

?

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Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

by FusionTheism in

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i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

DarioKehl

FT:

hey, good afternoon. I have an honest & sincere question for you:

i noticed you refer to some of the teachings that they've abandoned as "wacky." About 8 years ago, I was struggling with some of the "wackiness" as well as we were covering the Revelation book for book study. 8 years ago, 2007, I was home alone and I lurked on this forum as well as a few "apostate" YouTube channels in an effort to see if I could defend the wackiness. Several really good points were made that justified my doubts, but, I noticed a few posts & comments that confirmed my bias about exJWs. For example, lots of anger, snark, profanity, etc. it really made me uncomfortable & I ran back to my "spiritual life" in an attempt to wash all the muck away.

...BUT... even as offended as I was, the few good points that I'd read stayed with me. My last ditch effort to cling to god's chariot was pitiful. I could not suppress or ignore the facts I'd discovered--even if the delivery was unsavory for my pure JW eyes. The point is, SOMETHING brought me here that very first time. Although initially turned off, I came back here even after sincere efforts to boost my involvement in the organization.

SOMETHING brought YOU here too. My question to you is, WHAT? Why are you breaking a rule that could put you into a judicial committee by not only viewing this forum but also joining & posting? I get it that when you read some members' choice of language & tone that it can be a culture shock, but realize that some of us are irreparably hurt. Some of us have been out for decades & simply talk like regular folks do now. I highly suggest you focus on the "WHAT" that brought you here in the first place and just ignore the posts that make you uncomfortable.

if you're here for a reason, if you believe some things are "wacky," focus on THAT, not us. Otherwise, you may over-correct like I did and suffer very unpleasant symptoms of cognitive dissonance by ignoring the underlying issue that's bothering you about the organization. My rebound cost an extra 2 years of unnecessary guilt, fear and lying to myself and everyone else.

you may just need a break. Get off this forum, don't watch YouTube videos and ALSO don't read any WT material either; take a break from all of it and research specific topics at your local library. See what scholars, scientists, historians and archeologists have to say & forget all this drama for awhile. If you have the truth, it WILL endure scrutiny. Go out and confirm that for yourself away from exJW AND current JW bias.

im still a JW, btw (for many reasons), so I can empathize with your viewpoint. But for real, take a break from BOTH sides and research your issues yourself. I promise it will improve your situation.

keep us posted on your progress too. Most of us really do care, even if we don't agree. We all want the same thing: truth. So go out there & get it! Good luck :)

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Holy Spirit question

by TweetieBird in

does the new world translation ever reference the holy spirit as a "him"?

if not, does it refer to it as an "it"?.

thanks!.

DarioKehl

I refer to it as "the force from Star Wars." It's not as powerful or believable tho.

(yes, I just blasphemed the Holy Spirit; the only unforgivable sin. Cry me a river. I'm off to celebrate more Memorial Day now)

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The 1919 issue

by confused in

i am not a regular visitor to this site, every now and then then i get twisted up about something i come back lol.

i am sure this has been discussed many times so a link to another thread would be great or if someone has the patience to explain again please?

i have read the july 15 2013 wt many times but i simply don't understand the significance of 1919 from the bible.

DarioKehl

Why 1919?!?

you're kidding, right? Do you remember the Daniel book? Every paragraph seemed to tie in Daniel's "prophecies" to 1919.

That's also the year we became "smokelike." (See my thread from a few weeks ago about that made up term)

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Suggestions for Governing Body 2.0

by FusionTheism in

i realize many people on here are very angry at the watchtower society and/or governing body for various reasons, many of which are likely justified, at least to some extent.

i also can totally understand the cynicism and pessimism i see from certain ones regarding the leaders of the society.. i think one thing that's often forgotten or overlooked, however, is the fact that members of the governing body who've been "in the truth" for 30, 40, 50, 60 years, probably truly believe in this organization.

in my opinion, it's more likely that they believe what they teach instead of being liars who are intentionally deceiving everyone.

DarioKehl

Nah. F**k 'em.

that's what I say.

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Catch phrases used by the GB

by stuckinarut2 in

i read a comment on another thread that made me think of this topic.. how many catchphrases are used by the gb and organisation in an attempt to control or gain power or prevent questioning?

feel free to list as many as you can think of!.

i'll start:.

DarioKehl

"Evidently..."

"Do we not...?"

"yearn"

"glean"

"wholesome"

"!"

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Catch phrases used by the GB

by stuckinarut2 in

i read a comment on another thread that made me think of this topic.. how many catchphrases are used by the gb and organisation in an attempt to control or gain power or prevent questioning?

feel free to list as many as you can think of!.

i'll start:.

DarioKehl

I've always found "meat in due season," "whet one's appetite" and "food at the proper time" to be particularly nauseating.

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JW 'urban legends'

by Steve Lowry in

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i was thinking about some of the old jw urban legends that we grew up with and believed in as jws.

most of the ones i remember revolved around stories about demons, and jws being "attacked" when they would do something wrong.

some of these legends scared the crap outta me when i was little.

DarioKehl

Early/mid 80s: "The Warlock in the Barber Shop"

a jw in a barber shop is asked what religion he is by another patron. He responds, "Jehovah's witness."

the creepy old man recoils in horror, points his finger and says, "your god got our children in the flood. Now, OUR god will get YOURS."

This was brought up several times during family studies/get togethers: moms usually shared it with other moms, a precognition to the mass exodus that would come 15-20 years later lol.

the warlock was right!

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What Jehovah's Witnesses need to do to become Mainstream

by FusionTheism in

i was raised a jehovah's witness, so i know all the "ins-and-outs" of their theology and belief system..

in my view, they can become a part of mainstream christianity and lose their cult status by making just a few changes for the better:.

1: stop their severe shunning practices.

DarioKehl

"Mainstream" is "frowned upon."

They must be different in every way. Only non-conformity works. Being "no part of the world" is one of their most important bragging rights in the claim that THEY...

...are the "one, TRUE" religion!

(never mind that the same claim is made by all the other late 19th century carnival sideshow american CULTS)

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Are You a 607 BCE Specialist?

by God_Delusion in

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hi guys & gals,.

we're currently preparing for the season finale of the show (to be recorded on sunday, may 24th at 2pm eastern time nyc / 6pm uk time / 4am sydney time.. as we're going to (finally) be covering 607 bce in detail, we're looking for a specialist (or two) that can come on the show and tell everyone about this almighty doctrine.

if you know your 587 from your 607 and why the 1914 and 1919 dates are important to jws (although most have no idea why), please send us an email to [email protected], using "i'm a 607er" in the subject line and let us know why we should pick you as a guest on the season finale.. can't wait to hear from you!.

DarioKehl

Oh 607 is a great topic and I look forward to you guys explaining the controversy and massive error of this doctrine in an easily understandable manner.

I do have an unrelated question though: I noticed on JW dot bOrg yesterday that they had the trademark TM next to their logo. Is that just a bluff or did they finally trademark that design? If they did, can they come after your logo or try to shut you down for imitating theirs? (Don't wanna derail your thread topic, so feel free to PM)

Season finale? Oh no! How long is the break going to be? (That's fine; you guys are doing an awesome job and deserve time off. Enjoy your summer!)