@MAD SWEENEY............
"Why else cancel the book release for this summer and drop whatever explanation they were going to float about the toes of the image?"
...okay...what book release that they've upheld? I didn't hear about this one?
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Are more long standing JW's leaving?
by cantleave inat one time, it seemed that the majority of those leaving, were young ones brought up in the cult.. from what i can see now (at least on here), there seems to be a high number of 20+ baptised members years leaving.. has this always been the case?
it might be i just didn't notice from my parochial view from the kingdom hall!.
or are there really more long standing jw's leaving now, than ever before?.
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Are more long standing JW's leaving?
by cantleave inat one time, it seemed that the majority of those leaving, were young ones brought up in the cult.. from what i can see now (at least on here), there seems to be a high number of 20+ baptised members years leaving.. has this always been the case?
it might be i just didn't notice from my parochial view from the kingdom hall!.
or are there really more long standing jw's leaving now, than ever before?.
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I've seen it here and there where ones who were 'pillars' in the congregation have left. I've seen brothers who were great as elders with overbearing wives, once the all the kids have grown up, they leave. I've seen soft-spoken God-fearing sisters like myself grow up in the organization, pioneer, get married to a young MS/ELDER, have children, struggle with no extended education and notice the world is STILL going on...and eventually leave.
For me, the awakening came in 'rolls'. 1)The wide-spread hypocrisy of the JWs (local brothers being drunk, beating their wives, whoring around with sister in their OWN congregations right under the noses of their noses. 2) Having a child with a disability and me being told I need to do more in my ministry for Jehovah and not more time to doctors to help my son, and 3) the infamous "the New System" is right around the corner.....and my Dad passes away holding onto that thought for the past 43 years.
Who wouldn't wake up?????????????? I believe once I divorce my husband, he'll leave, too. But, it'll be my fault, right?
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Questions from the Essay "Self-Identity and Growing Up in the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Reopened Mind inthe essay "self-identity and growing up in the jehovah's witnesses" by marcela sherwin was an interesting commentary on how being brought up as one of jehovah's witnesses affects one as an adult after they leave the cult.
only a small sample of ten adult xjws participated in the survey.
i thought it would be interesting to read the answers all of you would give to the same questions.
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All of us have suffered in MANY ways.
No choices, but to ONLY be a JW for the rest of your life....choose a menial/low paying career just to get you by so that you can pioneer or some type of skilled trade that will keep you stationary in your own territory....get married at the ages between 17-25, having no 'social skills' in adult life to make a marriage work.....no REAL livable financial skillls....never had a chance to fail at anything at a young age to be able to develop critical thinking skills one you did grow up in this system.....
I would've been great in the political world somewhere on Capitol Hill debating Human Rights, or a fine lawyer/professor, a kick-a$$ architect or interior designer or even a Public Relations consultant in a grand corner office in Manhattan. My co-workers can't believe the skill level I have with litigation and debate (that, I do attribute to being a JW because we learned the art of arguing our case....). I was BEYOND talented as a youth with one of the most BRILLIANT MINDS that Jehovah has ever bestowed upon a human. I have seen MANY other JWs I had grown up with with the brain of a master to lead a corporation or even the country. But, those hopes and dreams of BEING SOMETHING or SOMEBODY were thwarted for the sake of living waaaay below the "specialties of higher mentalities" DUE TO THIS DAMNED RELIGION.
I questioned why my parents would fall for such a cult....... My father NEVER did believe in this religion. He sorta/kinda was brought up Irish Catholic. He only did it because our Mom studied this crap as a teenager.
Yes....cults like this NEED to be banned. I have to divorce just to give my own children a 'running start' in this world. Just so that they know they have the mental capacity to make decisions on their own.....TO LIVE A LIFE NOT CHOSEN FOR THEM BUT TO LIVE A LIFE THAT THEY THEMSELVES HAVE CHOSEN AND MAY GROW TO LOVE AND PROSPER.
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A DOUBLE LIFE - What's the worst case you've seen
by sizemik inlots of jw's lead a double life.
many are young people that simply go through the motions until they can free themselves .
others have relatives or family still trapped .
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But that the nature of ANYONE in control. Religion/Politics!!!!! The biggest SINNERS. But, they take charge and make laws for you not to break. GEEEEZZZ!!!!!!
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Dating after Divorcing a JW...
by RagingBull inany experiences/advice on dating (moving on) after a separation or divorce from a jw?.
i know that when (not if) i leave the org, my wife will probably separate then divorce me (and we have 3 small children).
i only know of horror stories when it comes to that type of scenario.
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I do wonder what dating would be like after not being married to a JW. I hope not to be forceful/aggressive due to my being brainwashed for so many years. Also, due to my nature, I hope not to be a push-over.
I can say, since I have stopped dealing with the JWs or my husband for the past 6 years, I feel more relaxed and not stressed. I know me. I will be the type to spoil my kids with trips everywhere (this was something we did not do due to field service every weekend, studying for meetings everyday, husband was on parts every week (while other elders took their wives/families to dinner, a concert, to their family boats/cottages......) and meetings, sometimes 2x every Sunday). My kids and I missed out on alot.
Definitely......time for me. Travel, extra-curricular classes just for the hell of it, get a degree or 2..........JUST LIVE!!!!!!! Something that JWS DO NOT do.
I am listening to a song by Anita Baker called "Perfect Love Affair".... I want to be in love, so much again......
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Did you ever shun someone close? How did you feel?
by jean-luc picard inhow does a jw feel when he "has" to shun someone he likes/loves?.
during the time i was in, i shunned people.
but as i didn't like them, it was no problem.. but now, i'm trying to understand how my family might really feel.. (i presume here, of course, that they do "like/love me".).
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TROUBLEMIND -
Yes. One of my sisters is disfellowshipped.... for a second time. First of all, she should've NEVER been baptised in this mess. She has moderate mental deficiencies. Mom pushed for her to be baptised when she was only 16/17. She had NO IDEA what she was getting into then and still has no idea. She's kinda like a chameleon...changes her point of view when the wind blows. Very easily manipulated. My Mom would use, "I'm gonna have to take your sister to the brothers, again," to keep her on track. We went thru YEARS of my little sister staying 'in trouble' for the sake of the borganization. Mom and Dad were NEVER pure JWs anyway. It was for convenience only.
Now that I nolonger attend, I try to be there to help my sister. She has 2 children that she has no idea of how to raise. She's just out making babaies. The older, my parents are raising and the second one, EVERYBODY is helping to raise. My 'being there for her' has caused a problem. Human-kindness has caused a problem. I don't condone her pregnancies or her way of life, at all. I REFUSE to see her hungry, dirty or anyone abusing her.
JWs just need to control all they can. They will make you leave a person totally destitute regardless of what is going on in their lives. So, in the end, I gained my little sister back, but lost other JW relatives. We're both better off.
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Dating after Divorcing a JW...
by RagingBull inany experiences/advice on dating (moving on) after a separation or divorce from a jw?.
i know that when (not if) i leave the org, my wife will probably separate then divorce me (and we have 3 small children).
i only know of horror stories when it comes to that type of scenario.
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RagingBull
I'm with you 1,000%!! I live in USA, as well. I AM IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT. We WILL have to separate/divorce our mates, eventually. I havebeen put thru some ugly things when I was a full-blown JW in my marriage. And now that I nolonger put up with my husband or the JWS, I am EVERYTHING WICKED and EVIL. My family, his family, both congregations that he's served in KNOW the crap he's put me and the kids thru over theyears. I mean some HORRIBLE things. The bible says that, in short, ' a man serving the congregation should be FREE OF ACCUSATIONS.' Myhusband was FULL of them.
I worry VERY much as to what it would be like dating out here. I see a few of my friends, since their divorces, have made horrible decisions. Theyhave gotten out here and have gone wild, have been taken advantage of in serious financial matters, and so on. I have watched them and it has kinda just made be sit back.
I NEED to be out of this marriage for the sake of peace and my sanity as well as our 2 children's sanity.
He tries to imply that I'm having affairs, acts as if I can't take the kids on vacation w/out his permission. He has even attempted to come get MY children from ME when we were 40 miles away on a beautiful shopping trip with other family members on a Sunday...just to tke them to the meeting! HE BLEW MY CELLPHONE UP TRYING TO REACH ME TO COME GET MY KIDS FROM ME.....THEIR OWN MOTHER!!!!! I was enraged and the kids were terribly upset, too! Of course, I turned off my phone and told my daughter to do the same. When the kids are with me and he wants to take them to the hall or in field service (because you know JWs are taught that by any means necessary, NEVER allow your children not attend the meeting). He has even had ones from the hall stop by our home, when he is working evenings or Sundays, to come get the kids to take them to the meetings with them....without my consent. And I would answer my door and would polietly and turn their dumd-a$$es around. I called my husband after going thru that 2x to let him know in the court of law they will without a doubt give me FULL CUSTODY of our children. They look at the JWS as a cult. That stopped him in his tracks!
In short, I hope your marriage does work out if you 2 still have love for each other. When I read your words, it looks as if she's gonna dump you for the Borganization....be prepared.
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Did you ever shun someone close? How did you feel?
by jean-luc picard inhow does a jw feel when he "has" to shun someone he likes/loves?.
during the time i was in, i shunned people.
but as i didn't like them, it was no problem.. but now, i'm trying to understand how my family might really feel.. (i presume here, of course, that they do "like/love me".).
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and, oh....when I run into JWs from my congregation where my husband has bad-mouthed me (but, STILL wants to be married...) they try so hard to MAKE SURE that they look at me with disdain. I've been in situations where I embarass the hell out of them when it has happened.
Just very infantile and a$$hole-ish to ignore people for something that you have no specific knowledge of what they've gone thru! Because THE BROTHERS told you not to speak to me???? Ask them WHY?
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Did you ever shun someone close? How did you feel?
by jean-luc picard inhow does a jw feel when he "has" to shun someone he likes/loves?.
during the time i was in, i shunned people.
but as i didn't like them, it was no problem.. but now, i'm trying to understand how my family might really feel.. (i presume here, of course, that they do "like/love me".).
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I've been going thru it with my Mom, (all of a sudden) since Dad passed away last summer. She hasn't been adult or a TRUE JW to come to my face to verbally tell me.
It first started a month after Dad passed. I had stopped going to the meetings about 2 years before. I noticed that Mom would not take my calls nor would she return them. She would be cold and short with a bit of arrogance when answering me. After about 2 weeks of her stupidity, it had been brought to my attention that she and my siblings needed to 'stop dealing with me'. This I suppose would make me want to come back to the hall if I missed everyone. It didn't work. This is one of my reasons for NOT dealing with JWs....the stupidity.
Eight weeks went by. I didn't call or go to visit or even take the kids. She eventually broke down and called. She still hasn't SAID to me why she was taking the JW road to 'holy-ism' all of a sudden. We started talking and visiting again.
She just recently started with her antics about a month ago. The thing is, I'm a VERY busy person. It doesn't bother me not to call or drop by or try to take her out to dinner or a movie or plan a vacation with her since Dad is nolonger with us.
Do these 'christian wanna-be's' sit down to think on their own that what they are doing is soooooooooooooooooo stupid? I could see if I were living a vile life. I just choose to search the TRUE way Jehovah wants to be served. And this ain't it!
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I feel this is the best thread on here. Maybe because it is so recent.
I can't stop reading this thread. I'm sitting at my desk, at work and just crying.