I wish I'd taken a photo a few weeks ago, saw a couple of dubs sat on a small wall with their cart in front...of...a huge church! Felt like hollering out of the car window "BEHIND YOU! Babylon The Great is falling! RUN!"
ListlessWitness
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the wonderful world wde witnessing work----or is it ?
by stan livedeath inhiding behind the literature stand in a litter strewn empty shop doorway.. .
is this what the witnessing has now dumbed down to ?.
who's bringing reproach on jehovah's name now ?.
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Help me Out Here
by vinman ini've been out about 9 months.
and yes i am still obsessed with anti-watchtower material.
i've been married 23 years.
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ListlessWitness
Hi Vinman
A child in a library is an analogy that fits extremely well (plus it vindicated my decision to log back on here as soon as I had a moment to spare - bonus!) In my experience, the best way to deal with an obsession if you feel it is becoming unhealthy in terms of time consumption is to split it...find another obsession, then another, then another. Enjoy them consecutively then your time will be shared between them 😆 And none of them can then be time consuming enough to rate the obsession label.
Decades of indoctrination through the mind-control represented by the BITE model are going to take some undoing, so I accept that this thirst for accurate information and reading all the experiences which we identify with is helpful to un-prove what we spent so much time being convinced of. Sacrificing time, energy and resources is some seriously messed up sh!t...allow yourself whatever it takes to recover and rebalance. Seeking to discover what you really want to do with your life now that you have a considerable portion of it reclaimed unexpectedly is a great place to be. That child will soon find their way out of the library and into the sweet shop more often!
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Help me Out Here
by vinman ini've been out about 9 months.
and yes i am still obsessed with anti-watchtower material.
i've been married 23 years.
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ListlessWitness
I have driven a car for over 20 years, excellent time to learn to ride a motorbike ☺it is exhilarating, liberating, and for me the place I learned 'mindfulness' which I am now more able to practice in everyday life. My mind was such a whirr of constant active thought before. Being on the bike, where I have to focus intensely on every action, on my surroundings etc for survival, it helped me blow out some cobwebs of indoctrination. I cant recommend it highly enough as long as you have decades behind the wheel and know that when you are riding you are essentially invisible to other road users. So ride with caution commensurate with your invisibility and you'll love it!
I am still newly awake and have been obsessed with all things exjw for months, but I thoroughly enjoy reading here and bolstering my freedom of thought. Strangely I can cope with the thought of my loss of the best 2 decades of my life to the bOrg, but it upsets me if I think of it in terms of individual days, hours or minutes. That I find too mindblowing. I put off almost EVERYTHING I enjoy to the new system. And I enjoy so many things, now feel my time left is so short it is daunting to prioritise what I want to do. If I hadn't been bOrged, I would have had boyfriends, maybe marriage and kids. A career, travel, perhaps owned my own home. Nicer cars instead of old bangers. Cooking, baking, entertaining, parties. Dabbled in painting, drawing, photography, knitting, embroidery, sewing, cross-stitch. Tennis, badminton, swimming, yoga, pilates. Surfing, parachuting, paragliding, hiking, climbing, abseiling, skateboarding, rollerskating, iceskating. Charity work, Religious exploration and perhaps true spirituality. Instead I have been a pioneer or wannabe pioneer all this time. Expert in front door design, doorbell ringtones, ornamental knockers and garden admiration.
Now reaping what I sowed...a bumper crop of humdrum, always skint, with a very basic education that threatens to leave me that way! Yet knowing TTATT now feeling truly happy and free, and although time is short and choices limited by present circumstances, possibilities seem endless simply because I'LL be choosing for myself.
So I've taken a step back to my teenage pre-bOrg self, become a compassionate vegetarian like I was then, and starting over. Clean slate which I selfishly won't be letting ANYONE else take a chalk to. This is MY life and while I welcome opinions from loved ones on what I should and shouldn't do, they don't expect me to conform to their opinions. They understand I have spent too long conforming to The Seven Men and have to make my life my own now....feel a re-write of song 64 coming on. Which reminds me...singing, learning instruments, writing music and songs...my To Do lists are too daunting, so I'll start with a 10point bucket list and add a new item each time I cross one off 😊.
In summary, if you enjoy whiling away a few hours on exjdubbing, do it! At least it is your choice, and you will design your own roadmap away from this intensive debriefing. But I think we all need it to some extent, cult withdrawal can cause PTSD so it is not surprising we need at the very least some support, understanding and a place to offload/vent. I am drawn to it daily, I'm sure many of us are. But also many are now ex-exjws, even ex-ex-exjws so this too passes and 1 day we too might just live 24hrs with it barely registering on our thought radar.
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Cognitive Dissonance
by LexIsFree inthe cognitive dissonance amongst jws has never been more obvious to me then what i just experience in the last 5 min.
long story short i had a phone conversation w/my mom about some things and i mentioned to her to look up what has been going on with their beloved organization in australia.
brother geoffrey jackson of the holy governing body was caught lying numerous times about several subjects including disassociations & shunning.
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ListlessWitness
'In the end, once denial is chosen there is no more dissonance as denial is a solution which brings relief.'
I strongly disagree that such a bold line can be drawn between CD and its resultant states, and also that the resultant state brings relief from CD. Denial has to be ongoing each time a new fact which challenges our belief system becomes evident and causes the discomfort of CD. Let's face it, when you believe a hot, steaming pile of errant BS this is going to be frequent. So the interplay between CD and denial is continuous, can't be separated into a condition and a cure. It is the eventual overwhelming CD that wakes us up. And many of us realise looking back that denial was no real relief, in fact brought many stress-related health problems.
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Remember the two elderly sisters?
by John Aquila inabout a month ago i posted what had happened to two elderly sisters who were reprimanded by a couple of elders for crying because the jw broadcasting was going to be stopped at the kingdom hall and it was up to each publisher to learn how to use the internet.
if you recall the sisters got together with my mom and talked about it and it resulted in all of them declining to make meals for the pioneers.
here is the link.
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ListlessWitness
That is one of the best things I've heard all day!! Wow!
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UK TV--next monday 24th aug---channel 5-----9 pm--escaping the witnesses
by stan livedeath injust see it advertised on tv--with photo of our friend from south wales
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UK TV--next monday 24th aug---channel 5-----9 pm--escaping the witnesses
by stan livedeath injust see it advertised on tv--with photo of our friend from south wales
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ListlessWitness
Great, looks fantastic...here's a link to a short review:
http://tvprofil.net/show/3512540/inside-scientology-and-escaping-the-witnesses
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Phone call straight after the Royal Commission
by umbertoecho instraight after the commission ended today within minutes, the phone rang.
it was one of the people who are working on it.
firstly she established if i was alright and did i want to talk.. i said i was too tired and unhappy that geoffrey jackson managed to do some preaching....she said they were aware of that.
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ListlessWitness
Dear umbertoecho
Thank you SO much for letting us know how the Commission is handling things, and especially that they are not fooled and that this is far from over.
It is very reassuring to know that their calm acceptance of the testibaloney today is probably just setting them up to reveal more later. Mr Stewart did this in a more short-term way with each of the other witnesses, making them feel at ease and expressing themselves before dissecting their words later. They probably see how pivotal it will be to successfully dissect GB statements and are going to save this treat for later in the process. We all know just how many incriminating lies Geoffers uttered, they know it too and could use countless quotes from publications to point it out. Maybe they intend to carefully compare his words with what is written and have him back later in the process to spiritually help him become aware that he is a fork-tongued fool.
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Look out for a new congregation position for elders wives: Helper to the Elders
by Splash ingeoffrey jackson spent 20 minutes accepting the position that it is not scripturally prohibited for women to be used in the investigation process, although probably not the jc itself (he said he'd check the scriptures on that bit, but we can guess the outcome).. look out for the wives of elders jostling for and gaining these positions.
there will be no better opportunity for gossip mongers to raise their status in the congregation than being officially involved in the intimate private business of others in the congregation.. think of the power they will have in advising the elders on a jc if she thinks the victim is credible, with her opinion, bias and embellishments on the details.
i wouldn't fancy the chances of a victim who has previously fallen out with one of these 'helpers'.. whatever next, sisters handling microphones??!
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ListlessWitness
Dear konceptual99
Thank you so much for responding, I agree with everything in your response and most of your original post (except for the last sentence, although I can see now that was related specifically to the likely involvement of a particular type of woman.) Realistically, it is unlikely that any of the more genuine sisters (and I was one) would be high up enough in the food chain to merit consideration if the 'helper' thing were ever to become a formalised 'role'.
In fact your response has put all the comments in perspective for me, that probably all posters were relating how they feel things will actually be handled by a particular breed of sister, not tarring all sisters with that brush. Many thanks for clarifying.
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Freedom of Information - Australia
by kramer inthe evidence exhibits in the royal commission comprise in parts of things like the branch manual.
in australia, would these now be matters of public record?
if so is it possible to get hold of them?
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ListlessWitness
All in the exhibit list I believe: