Posts by ListlessWitness

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

That picture and caption are ideal, Human Rights day seems just the ticket. So is highlighting the shunning that keeps them silently trapped behind the barbed wire fence of the WT compound. I agree with the Thursday 10th December proposal! And making new s with it where possible. The memorial seems just too disrespectful to me, and might only trigger apostaradars rather than the rational thoughts we hope to 'provoke'. Gosh it seems so weird to be talking about a bunch of people who have to be so carefully persuaded to let their brain do what comes naturally - THINK!

Anonymous DA letters letting them get an idea of our numbers and the strength of our feelings would be excellent. A brief, personal experience statement of the facts might have the most impact. Doesn't even have to be mailed to our own KH but just pick a bunch of KH addresses off the website.

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World Wide Construction comes to a Shuddering Halt - Jehovah's Blessing has Evidently been Suspended!

by Slidin Fast in

the chelmsford project in the uk has already come to a halt and every one has been sent home.

the bethel family in london is to be cut by several hundred.

my impression is that most ambitious youngster in the org dream of being involved with the building program.

ListlessWitness

Templefarmdevelopment.co.uk...maybe someone could contact them and ask?

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Uh, wow. I think I might become vegan.

by marmot in

i am a dyed in the wool carnivore.

i suffer from cheese addiction.

lobsters are mercilessly boiled alive.. but after watching this new documentary called cowspiracy on netflix, all that may change.

ListlessWitness

I really feel you Marmot; I watched Unity then sealed my veggy fate by watching Earthlings. I now feel more in touch with the compassionate, slightly idealistic wannabee Goth of my teenage pre-bOrg years.

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Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

by wifibandit in

http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.

obey.

ListlessWitness

He seemed very bored and resigned, I think I prefer a TMIII rant, at least he gets a bit animated then! Trying to say that GB does not expect their sayings to be obeyed without question...then in almost the same breath telling dubs to pray for understanding if they disagree while obeying anyway?!? WTactualF?

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Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

by Dissonant15 in

please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

"if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

ListlessWitness

I agree with heaven. In fact I always found that illustration embarrassingly stupid. Blood lives in your veins, belongs there. Alcohol does not. There is no comparison. The Org is oversimplifying the word abstain and taking it out of context. While it merrily overcomplicates simple words like 'overlap' and 'generation' and tries to squeeze them into a context they just don't fit. Crazy word games, mind games, control games.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

ListlessWitness

Article 18

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Just saying.

We are all at different stages in our journey since discovering TTATT. Is it really helpful to dismiss anyone's belief in pejorative terms? Or are some still hanging on to the witness way of trying to pull the religious rug out from under people with beliefs that do not match our own? That this life is all there is, not an easy thing to accept. It is like realising you have been handed a death sentence after years of doing what you thought was right to avoid it. Those that have accepted it come across as bitter and determined that no-one has the right to an alternative view. I find that bizarre. If an open mind makes me more sensitive and mild towards those who are struggling with their death sentence, I do not consider that a bad thing. Or a weakness of mind or intellect. Just recognising that all of us are in a different stage in our journey and defending each one's right to take that journey at their own pace and with their own thoughts. Many of us are mourning the loss of the best decades of our life and find the rich variety of opinion in this forum comforting. What reason have we to be harsh to others when we do not know how vulnerable they might be?

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

ListlessWitness

Thanks from the bottom of my heart

It is my pleasure Icon. I too am fascinated by the human spirit which seems so indomitable. I wonder if it behaves in a way we don't yet fully understand. I find myself musing about whether it is a unique form of energy which continues after the receptacle which gives it the senses to experience human life expires.

The great thing is Icon, if they're lambasting me for what they consider ignorance, at least they're leaving you alone for a moment my friend 😉

I appreciate your openness, that you are not afraid to be vulnerable by posting here. I find your thoughts interesting and hope to hear more from you. I still don't understand what is considered so harmful about expressing various opinions as we formulate them, to me it is a beautiful thing to maintain a little spirituality even after our trust in religion to provide answers has been so thoroughly abused and betrayed.

To not admit that there are many things about which the human race remains ignorant is...well...ignorant. And then try to shut down others free expression by unkind comments is...well...I guess my Mum always taught me that if you haven't got anything pleasant to say, don't say anything at all.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

ListlessWitness

Thanks Icon, I love the way you think. Similar to The Truth Contest, in fact some of your thoughts could fit really well with that material if there is a way to submit them?

Certain things cannot be subjected to the scrutiny of science for complete answers. Love and relationships and emotions for example. But that doesn't stop us speculatively attempting romance and seeing what happens. Why then is it so harmful to speculate about something we cannot know for sure? It is part of being alive, and when you try to stamp out speculation about things that cannot be proven, you are trying to stamp out a part of our very being. I know an Org which likes to do that, and we escaped from it in part to enjoy freedom of thought and expression.

Live and let live ffs, why are some people so bent on being 'right'?

If there are things in Icon's past posts which have jerked people's chains, let it go, it's in the past. Let a person grow and develop even if it is not on your terms or timescale. Why not hold back the urge to comment on something until you have seen what fresh pairs of eyes think of it?

Just my 2 cents. I am probably wrong, but always being right is something I am working hard to let go of so that more harmony can be created with my fellow man.

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The Spiritual Man According to WTBTS

by zophar in

who is a spiritual man according to wtbts?.

this post will resonate most with people who have been long associated with jws and have seen a dramatic change in the spirituality of traveling overseers over the years..

how does a man get appointed as a circuit overseer?

ListlessWitness

If you were older and had any health issues you were not considered for appointment. Sorry Paul, that “thorn in the flesh” affliction means you are not qualified. And as for the Apostle John, too old we can’t afford to have you traveling around to the congregations, too much liability to the Corporations money situation.

Never thought of it like that before, so true tho!

OLG Model

by ListlessWitness in

i just googled 'overlapping generation' to double check whether it is a term in use anywhere else in the whole world.

the only pages that came up were about economics.

the overlapping generations model.

ListlessWitness

I just googled 'overlapping generation' to double check whether it is a term in use anywhere else in the whole world. The only pages that came up were about economics. The Overlapping Generations Model. Note the 's' on the word generation. If they overlap, it cannot be 1 generation but 2 at least. Common sense really, just thought it was interesting.

Overlapping Generation (TM Watchtower Bible and Crap Society)