@Faye
I thought exactly the same when I saw pic of Splane with the chart! Really thought it were an apostapic! You couldn't make this sh!t up!...
Except they do.
ListlessWitness
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TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again
by Designer Stubble inguess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.
david spane does his best to explain it again.
the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.
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TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again
by Designer Stubble inguess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.
david spane does his best to explain it again.
the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.
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ListlessWitness
Are the R&F really buying this BS? Another GB inspired reinvention of a word that already has clearly defined meaning through common usage...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/generation
So even Davy's explanation of an overlapping generation would, in normal terminology be described as at least 2 but probably several generations. That is, the PLURAL of the word generation, not some stretchy, undefined time period! If this doesn't work, will they start focussing on all the nuances of meaning in the greek word 'this' to explain why 'this generation' could mean anything other than the commonly accepted meaning?
Need Oubliette to review and summarise...
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JW Elder Lawsuit Update: AAWA Fliers are Illegal and Uncle claims he is "Going to Kill us in Court"!
by ReligionOfHatred inhi, my uncle made the first move by taking my mom, dad, grandma and grandpa(all in good jws in standing and non have put out anti-jw fliers or speech), that's who he is taking to court.
i have left the organization but than again, i was only a unbaptized publisher.
my grandma (whom i love so dearly was shocked to learn "i am not going to marry a pioneer and i don't want anything to do with any pro-jw females, i feel this religion is one of the most hateful religions mankind has seen).
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Dear ROH
I'm still rooting for you and thank you for keeping us up to date with what is going on. I hope like you that anyone reading your account of such shocking events will be woken up to see what this organisation truly is and leave it. Like you say, Mission Accomplished 😊 It certainly helps me want to stay right away fromthe bOrg and its hypocrisy.
And please don't feel apologetic for your style of writing, at least it is never boring! If I had seen so many terrible things and tried to write about them, the grammar might be perfect but it would be 30pages long and bore people to death! So although it is hard to understand exactly what has happened to who and when, your writing paints a clear picture of the turmoil you are experiencing as a result of the injustice and trauma that is being suffered.
I hope you are finding some relief by venting here, and look forward to hearing how things progress. May I ask, have you seen JWrecovery website? I find it very calming and supportive on there and wonder if the experiences of members there might benefit you too?
Take care
Love ListlessWitness
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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
by Paul Bonanno ini have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.
they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".
one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.
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Honor Your Story
by OnTheWayOut ina recent thread mentioned members who wrote their own story as a book.
you don't have to have an entire book to write your story.
as a matter of fact, you don't have to share your story if you are not up to it.
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Hi OTWO
Awesome to meet you on here my friend...it was while reading your book on WTdocs that my fate was sealed ☺I came out of your book officially A Fader, your way of writing helped me to see what I had been involved in for 2 decades and helped me to escape. So thank you, your story is deeply honoured in my heart as much as CoC. Your use of the word 'recruiting' for the mino jarred with me at first, but by the end I couldn't think of it as anything else. Brilliant book, I hope to get a copy for keeps when I have some dosh.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing freely.
ListlessWitness
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Thank you for all the kind Private Messages and Wise Counsel on my parents and grandparents situation!
by ReligionOfHatred inthank you for being so kind and helping victims of child sexual abuse extra kindness, please accept our gratitude and love.
the lies being told about our parents and grandparents fall under slander and defamation according to our lawyer, should we sue this cobe for slander?
we have so many good people here that are compassionate and loving, thank you and bless your wonderful hearts!.
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Hi ROH
Just wanted you to know I've been rooting for you and hoping you get all the support you need to straighten things out. And sorry I haven't got the experience to offer any advice, I'm sure the lawyer will sort it. Please keep us updated.
Love ListlessWitness
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A True Story: PORTRAIT OF A GIRL and her dog
by Terry inportrait of a girl and her dog.
(a true story by terry edwin walstrom).
her name was cheryl ann draper and she was about 11 years old the day she begged her daddy, who worked at a gas station, to let her go with him to work.
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Terry thank you, that is beautiful and so moving. The photo is precious and it is disconcerting to realise that it might mean less to people in future than it should, but still wonderful to hear it has been treasured for a lifetime in loving memory. Thank you for sharing such a touching insight into this dear little girl's life and love for her Daddy and Trusty. And how part of J Terry's heart was frozen in time by these events, truly compelling the reader to feel his loss...written masterfully, even capturing his trauma by relating the crime so abruptly. Losing any sort of love, even puppy love, can be devastating to one so young.
Love ListlessWitness
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the wonderful world wde witnessing work----or is it ?
by stan livedeath inhiding behind the literature stand in a litter strewn empty shop doorway.. .
is this what the witnessing has now dumbed down to ?.
who's bringing reproach on jehovah's name now ?.
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I wish I'd taken a photo a few weeks ago, saw a couple of dubs sat on a small wall with their cart in front...of...a huge church! Felt like hollering out of the car window "BEHIND YOU! Babylon The Great is falling! RUN!" -
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Help me Out Here
by vinman ini've been out about 9 months.
and yes i am still obsessed with anti-watchtower material.
i've been married 23 years.
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ListlessWitness
Hi Vinman
A child in a library is an analogy that fits extremely well (plus it vindicated my decision to log back on here as soon as I had a moment to spare - bonus!) In my experience, the best way to deal with an obsession if you feel it is becoming unhealthy in terms of time consumption is to split it...find another obsession, then another, then another. Enjoy them consecutively then your time will be shared between them 😆 And none of them can then be time consuming enough to rate the obsession label.
Decades of indoctrination through the mind-control represented by the BITE model are going to take some undoing, so I accept that this thirst for accurate information and reading all the experiences which we identify with is helpful to un-prove what we spent so much time being convinced of. Sacrificing time, energy and resources is some seriously messed up sh!t...allow yourself whatever it takes to recover and rebalance. Seeking to discover what you really want to do with your life now that you have a considerable portion of it reclaimed unexpectedly is a great place to be. That child will soon find their way out of the library and into the sweet shop more often!
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Help me Out Here
by vinman ini've been out about 9 months.
and yes i am still obsessed with anti-watchtower material.
i've been married 23 years.
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ListlessWitness
I have driven a car for over 20 years, excellent time to learn to ride a motorbike ☺it is exhilarating, liberating, and for me the place I learned 'mindfulness' which I am now more able to practice in everyday life. My mind was such a whirr of constant active thought before. Being on the bike, where I have to focus intensely on every action, on my surroundings etc for survival, it helped me blow out some cobwebs of indoctrination. I cant recommend it highly enough as long as you have decades behind the wheel and know that when you are riding you are essentially invisible to other road users. So ride with caution commensurate with your invisibility and you'll love it!
I am still newly awake and have been obsessed with all things exjw for months, but I thoroughly enjoy reading here and bolstering my freedom of thought. Strangely I can cope with the thought of my loss of the best 2 decades of my life to the bOrg, but it upsets me if I think of it in terms of individual days, hours or minutes. That I find too mindblowing. I put off almost EVERYTHING I enjoy to the new system. And I enjoy so many things, now feel my time left is so short it is daunting to prioritise what I want to do. If I hadn't been bOrged, I would have had boyfriends, maybe marriage and kids. A career, travel, perhaps owned my own home. Nicer cars instead of old bangers. Cooking, baking, entertaining, parties. Dabbled in painting, drawing, photography, knitting, embroidery, sewing, cross-stitch. Tennis, badminton, swimming, yoga, pilates. Surfing, parachuting, paragliding, hiking, climbing, abseiling, skateboarding, rollerskating, iceskating. Charity work, Religious exploration and perhaps true spirituality. Instead I have been a pioneer or wannabe pioneer all this time. Expert in front door design, doorbell ringtones, ornamental knockers and garden admiration.
Now reaping what I sowed...a bumper crop of humdrum, always skint, with a very basic education that threatens to leave me that way! Yet knowing TTATT now feeling truly happy and free, and although time is short and choices limited by present circumstances, possibilities seem endless simply because I'LL be choosing for myself.
So I've taken a step back to my teenage pre-bOrg self, become a compassionate vegetarian like I was then, and starting over. Clean slate which I selfishly won't be letting ANYONE else take a chalk to. This is MY life and while I welcome opinions from loved ones on what I should and shouldn't do, they don't expect me to conform to their opinions. They understand I have spent too long conforming to The Seven Men and have to make my life my own now....feel a re-write of song 64 coming on. Which reminds me...singing, learning instruments, writing music and songs...my To Do lists are too daunting, so I'll start with a 10point bucket list and add a new item each time I cross one off 😊.
In summary, if you enjoy whiling away a few hours on exjdubbing, do it! At least it is your choice, and you will design your own roadmap away from this intensive debriefing. But I think we all need it to some extent, cult withdrawal can cause PTSD so it is not surprising we need at the very least some support, understanding and a place to offload/vent. I am drawn to it daily, I'm sure many of us are. But also many are now ex-exjws, even ex-ex-exjws so this too passes and 1 day we too might just live 24hrs with it barely registering on our thought radar.