in the magazine the government that will bring paradise that the jw ladies left me last saturday, on page 18 at the bottom of the page there is a picture representing the men and women jehovah has gathered since the time of jesus who would reign in heaven with him.... cough.... in the middle of the line of faces, there is, of course, charles t. russell, coming forward, there is -- gulp -- rutherford, then knorr... is the last one, the one at the front of the line supposed to be fred franz ?.
and who is the one behind russell ?.
funny how the ladies are all in the background, kind of hidden by the males...
Yep, that's them. I thought it rather amusing when I first saw it.
I don't know who is behind Russell, might not have been intended to be anyone we know.
I can see if my daughter will scan it in once I find it, but someone else probably will before then.
Also, did you notice how much Satan looks like Billy Graham in the Trinity brochure?
Libby
ok, i usually don't write very long posts but i need to say something i feel is important.
i just got back from seeing my lawyer today and was inspired and at the same time disgusted.
in the state of tx the stat.
I'm as appalled as you are about the statute of limitations. It's outrageous.
Could you maybe go through silentlambs? There maybe some near you who visit that website.
Libby
many of us still have jw family still very much held within the congregation.
personally, i love my family but they do have this uncanny ability at times to absolutely drive me nuts in sheer exasperation.
the things particularly that really gets my goat are the following: .
I think maybe the difference in jw relatives and other religions and ordinary folks, is that the treatment is a GROUP thing. I don't know of any other religion that REQUIRES its members to be RUDE and HATEFUL to those who have left; there probably are some, I just don't know about them.
The other thing is, and someone already mentioned this, they CLAIM to be so loving and caring.....and I've known jws who are, but it's INSPITE of the org, not because of it. [Actually one I thought was just the best person in the whole world, I'm finding out is a real psycho bitch to her husband and daughter. Can we use that word on here?]
There was an article on how to treat 'faithful jws' who have df'd relatives. It counseled against ignoring them or treating them rudely and coldly, which tells you that they WERE treating them that way, otherwise why counsel against it? So when I'm out shopping with my young daughter, who is still a jw, they really have no reason to treat her like dirt just because they want to do that to me.
Libby
as we were digesting the spiritual food at the bookstudy tonight [yes i actually had to see this for myself] the topic of watchtower.org and freeminds came up from the elder in charge of the study.he flagrantly discredited freeminds with verbal sarcasm and distain and condemned watchtower.org as apostate and totally demonized the website .during this he mentioned he was not abliged to answer any of the questions that may have been raised about the society and beliefs because he felt that jesus didn't always answer the pharisees with what they would have expected like something that would incriminate himself.then the term legal department was brought to the fore.i really couldn't believe this is their reaction to inquiring minds.
My thoughts exactly Cassiline. Has he and the reader been to these "apostate" sites or are they 'replying to a matter before they have heard all of it?' And if they have been there to check them out, can other jws do the same?
Libby
my disfellowshipping
as with anyone associated with jehovahs witnesses the worst possible news anyone can have is being df.
it means a loss of everyone and everything you have known all your life.
Wonderful.
Bill, for all of us who went quietly, THANK YOU.
The wts is slowly losing their best.
Libby
press release
monday, august, 12
william h. bowen: ky 270-527-5350, silentlambs.org
Minimus: Going to the media wasn't the problem. Ray Franz didn't, Peter Gregorson didn't. How did the jw's you spoke with hear about it to be able to agree or disagree? To the wts and to most jw's there is NO ACCEPTABLE WAY to point out the shortcomings, errors, detestable policies, and lies of the Organization, because in their minds the WTS = GOD. When they finally realize they have swallowed a lie, they will be the ones 'publishing' the truth about the wts.
Grunt: I couldn't add a word. Well said, indeed
Libby
we are going to have an extensive article in the new york times this sunday.
there is an early addition that comes out in most cities around on saturday.
i encourage one and all to get your copy and do not miss the important piece of history.
Termite 35 and Ronin 1: Excellent suggestions!!
Dateline will do a follow-up, right? And Bill Bowen's appeal...that's going to happen, right?
((((Cassiline)))) (((((all silent lambs))))
Libby
for those who can't wait till sunday...
ousted members contend jehovah's witnesses' abuse policy hides offenses
by laurie goodstein
Farkel, you illustrated beautifully the hollow hypocritical ring of J.R. Brown's words. The more exposure the wts gets, the less the public is going to accept their cop outs.
Salud, thanks for posting the article. It's great.
Libby
i stumbled across this site today.
i wonder who runs it.
has anyone ever heard of this site before?
The custody cases at the website are interesting.
The Discussion Logs feature many of Greg Stafford's discussions.
Libby
yes i know you're all getting p*d off with my jwzone threads, but i couldn't let this one go by!!!!!!
so, i'm just going to embed the thread here and let you guys comment...hehe...some jwzoners are going to get their heads bitten off in this thread!
edited by - syn on 8 august 2002 13:43:36.
I didn't go back and read it again, but did any of them mention the two witnesses to EACH molestation (the policy that Bill was hoping the wts would change)?
Also, Bill Bowen has not been allowed to present his witnesses at the judicial meetings for one reason or another. I see that they referred to his witnesses showing up at one of the meetings as a 'demonstration'. When they saw all the people there to support Bill's position (peacefully gathered), the elders would not conduct the judicial hearing and left.
At the meeting where Bill took pictures of them locking the door and putting trash bags over the windows, he had already informed them that he could not meet with them that day because his witnesses could not be there on a week day. His photos are important because they show that the elders had no witnesses against him at that hearing. Where were the two witnesses who are accusing him?? Were they sitting on the committee??
On another forum a poster asked what the predominant factor is which prevents jw's (or others) from speaking out against religions which preach false doctrine. In view of how Bill Bowen is being gutted, it's a wonder anyone speaks out at all. And Bill is not questioning doctrine, he is simply asking that the policy be changed, which isn't really a change at all because they already allow two witnesses to separate infractions with smoking. The wts rapidly changed their UN policy when that became public knowledge; they should have changed this policy when first presented with it (before it ever went public) and all of this could have been avoided. Allow two victims of a pedophile to be the two witnesses against him/her.
Libby
