Posts by Liberty

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Satan overkill

by Switch in

i remember in my teen years thinking about the constant warnings of satan "transforming himself into an angel of light" and wondering how in the world did i stand a chance against a demon?!

a demon thats had thousands of years to suss things out and trick people in various different ways without them even knowing.

he led angels to rebellion.

The Watch Tower Society has proven over and over again that it is a giant monument to falsehood. They have conjectured and guessed so much over the years that they don't even remember what is right or wrong which is proof positive that they are not guided by God's spirit. Just look at all their flip-flops.

If God is just, then each person would have to be judged upon their motives and not upon what they were fooled into believing/doing since it is too confusing to discover what is the "right" course of action.

If God's real Universe was really as confusing as the Watch Tower salvation plan indicates then it would be completely arbitrary and out of our control anyway, hence why worry?

Your observations about the WT Society's Satanic-like muddying of the waters of truth is well applied.

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Satan overkill

by Switch in

i remember in my teen years thinking about the constant warnings of satan "transforming himself into an angel of light" and wondering how in the world did i stand a chance against a demon?!

a demon thats had thousands of years to suss things out and trick people in various different ways without them even knowing.

he led angels to rebellion.

Liberty

Sorry didn't mean to post yet. Welcome in any case.

The Watch Tower concept of Satan is complete nonsense. Simple logic tells us that a super being like an angel would be second only to God in intelligence and that such a being would have been in intimate association with God for untold eons. If you were the personal assistant to an all powerful dictator whom you knew for a fact found out about and killed all opposition without fail and knew that this dictator was "good" why would you commit sure suicide by opposing him? What purpose would be served if you knew 100% that this dictator could never be overthrown? As an imperfect human most of us would be smart enough to remain alive and continue serving this dictator if a revolution was really hopeless and we were treated well anyway. How much more so would this be true with a super smart being intimately associated with God?

The other defect in the whole Devil story is the concept that an all good God would allow a trickster to fool His beloved children into a rebellion they really don't want or understand. Killing willful rebels is hard enough but rounding up otherwise loyal subjects who thought they were serving God but were fooled by a clever tempter would just be stupid if you knew all about the plot. In simpler form, if you had small children and told them to obey you about not crossing a busy street would you then test them by hiring a nice looking guy to pose as a friendly Uncle to offer candy and baloons to the children if they cross the street and he says you said it was OK because you sent him to "help" them?

Don't even get me started on "Free Will".

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Satan overkill

by Switch in

i remember in my teen years thinking about the constant warnings of satan "transforming himself into an angel of light" and wondering how in the world did i stand a chance against a demon?!

a demon thats had thousands of years to suss things out and trick people in various different ways without them even knowing.

he led angels to rebellion.

Liberty

Welcome Switch,

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How to make love & marriage work w/a JW

by StillinLove in

please dont comment saying to "run" or "get out while i can" thank you im not new to this, so i can handel it.

i have been with my boyfriend for 3 years, we started dating in high school and now i am going to college and he is working.

i am 20 and he is 21, i was raised catholic but my mom and i are too open minded for the church so we left.

Liberty

Maryblondgrl,

I'm telling it straight, you don't have to worry. The whole Watch Tower system is nonsense. There is NO Armageddon. I lived through 1975, guess what... No big "A".

They have even abandoned the 1914 Generation teaching. No big "A". After that they used to say before the end of the 20th century and now we are 8 years into the 21st and still no big "A". 1914 is almost 100 years past and no big "A". The Watch Tower Society has a 100% failure rate at predicting anything. It has failed over and over again with the dates predicted for the big "A". Their salvation plan is nonbiblical and based completely on human conjecture. You know more about the Bible than the leadership of the Watch Tower as they have proven with 120+ years of false prophesy and policy flip flops.

The WWII era was far worse than anything happening today so the big "A" would have shown up then if it was going to show at all. You have nothing to worry about. Stick around and read all the great info here and you will be freed of your fears.

No worries and welcome to the board.

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How to make love & marriage work w/a JW

by StillinLove in

please dont comment saying to "run" or "get out while i can" thank you im not new to this, so i can handel it.

i have been with my boyfriend for 3 years, we started dating in high school and now i am going to college and he is working.

i am 20 and he is 21, i was raised catholic but my mom and i are too open minded for the church so we left.

Liberty

StillinLove,

Being in any long term relationship is damn hard, especially when said relationship starts when you are teenagers. I cannot emphasize enough to you just how much you and your boyfriend will change as you mature. I was a completely different person at 18 than I was at 21 and am really unrecognizable to my old selves at 46. I met my wife at 29 and she was 24 and we had a torrid 10+ times a day type sex life for the first 5 years and we were very passionate and in love on every level talking important issues till dawn night after night and then making it through the day on lust-infatuation adrenialine. We were older and had no issues and we still are struggling now 17 years later with the long term relationship. You don't have as good a start already so be preparred for some tough times.

We were high on love and floating through life. We agreed on almost everything, we were commited atheists, had the same politics, loved the same hobbies and movies, books, etc. and we had great conversations along with mutually satisfying sex and wanted to be together all the time. Unfortunately, this euphoria will wear off and you will have to face the cold reality of the long term relationship or you will break up and hopefully do it all again with someone new. These really are your only options, like it or not. Infatuation does wear off. I'm sorry, but this is a fact. Long term love is completely different from lust-love and that is where the hard work becomes a routine as every imperfection you never saw before in your lust-blinded state starts to grate on you like sand paper. The great sex will become less frequent, bad breath and B.O. will become ever more noticable, the sloppy habits and self doubts will surface, every minor disagreement is a potential battle (not to mention getting old and fat). I cannot tell you enough that this WILL happen, it happens to everybody even if they get a great start.

If you have major issues from the start then you are in for a world of hurt. Your boyfriend being a JW is a major issue. This JW issue will cause you extra grief every step of the way on top of all the normal problems couples have. Your JW boyfriend is also a problem since he is not even a "good" JW to begin with. This shows a real lack of maturity and self confidence on his part. If he lies to his parents and religious authorities then he will lie to you. If he commited to being a real JW or was commited to being an ex-JW then I might think your chances were better but since you don't have a real burning desire to become a committed JW and he obviously has commitment issues, you will have problems.

Bringing children into this is a whole other painful subject. Having children with a good relationship is hard enough. Just wait til you get to balance all this with job stress and money problems.

At this point, he just is not worth it. Young lovers have to make their own mistakes but please think hard about what everyone has said and take advantage of some experiance to save yourself a lot of pain.

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1914 & Generation What change?

by johnnyc in

i have read through many posts on this website that refer to the fact wtbts changed their viewpoint on generation and its relevance to 1914. there was just an article out in the wt (last six months) that reiterated the fact this viewpoint did not change, and that the wtbts still expects the generation who were around in 1914 to physically see the conclusion of this system and the visible second coming of jesus here on earth.

the wtbts did state they consider anyone being born in 1914 would be applicable, which is a change from earlier discussions, but they have not (from what i have seen) said that generation could pass away altogether.

sincerely i ask: if anyone has that information i would love to see it.

Liberty

Hi johnnyc,

I think you may be confused by the fact that the Watch Tower Society is way too dishonest to admit outright that they were totally wrong about understanding what the Generation is and issued false man-made opinions passed off as the "True inspired words of God" to millions of followers who are not allowed to dispute them.

They pulled the same stunt with 1975. In 1976 you CAN'T find an honest policy change statement to the effect that "WE, the LEADERSHIP of the Watch Tower Society stated our faulty opinions and conjectures about 1975 falsly represented by us as God inspired facts and now admit we were totally wrong about 1975 or any End Times predictions we pulled out of our asses. Sorry for screwing up your lives, so please don't listen to us because we are idiots." You will never see it clearly stated this way. They would loose their authority and control of the membership if they admitted that they know even less than your average Bible reader about "God's Divine Plan". Policy changes and weak admissions forced by clear events that don't add up or don't come true are always hidden in tricky and confusing language and or buck passing so that there is no clear revelation of the monument to falsehood that the Watch Tower is.

Their entire claim to fame and authority derives from them being "God's only true spirit inspired channel on earth today" if they start admitting honestly that they don't have a clue when it comes to understanding the Bible they cease to be authoritative leaders installed by God and become just another group of men with opinions.

It is really as simple as that.

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WHAT if we're wrong?

by shell69 in

jw
friends

i mean, i know i'm bitter.. normally these days quite strong, not feeling so much so much the last few days though.. what i'd give to do the things i was used to.

going doing the weekly shop with my mum, her popping round for a brew in the morning.. a hug from her, just to to know from the way she communicated with me, that she loved me.

i miss her so much.. and what if i'm wrong?.

Liberty

If ex-JW Apostates are wrong then the Universe is a very sick and twisted place. Jehovah is a complete wacko, inconsistant, illogical, and a demading egotist. Such a being would not be capable of creating a Universe. The Watch Tower salvation plan is complete nonsense when looked at calmly and reasonably and couldn't possibly be true for all the reasons enumerated here by the other posters. Never let guilt cloud your reason. Why would God destroy billions of people who never had a chance to hear the Watch Tower message even if it was "real"? The whole concept falls like a house of cards if even the most simple concept of fairness is applied. How can anyone be executed by God just because his government didn't allow him to even hear his choices?

Why would a just God give false warning after false warning until people stop listening (the cry wolf-problem). If the Watch Tower Society was really God's channel why do they always get it wrong? They have never predicted ONE correct thing ever in their entire history. Why would God choose such a flawed organization?

Use your reasoning to see the lie behind the Watch Tower. The facts just don't add up to, and if the system doesn't make any sense then our salvation or destruction would be completely random and beyond our control anyway.

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Are we too cynical?

by Princess Daisy Boo in

jw
friends

is it a good thing to look for fault in everything the borg does?

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are we clutching at straws sometimes in our efforts to strengthen our fight and fuel our anger?.

Liberty

I don't think it is at all cynical since the facts are very clear that every aspect of the Watch Tower Society is false and based upon pure delusional fantasy. There is nothing good or nice about this cult of lies, false hopes, and misery.

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The end is so close...

by sspo in

jw
friends

received email from a friend- enjoy it- the end is always around the corner.

a man is in the mountains, it's night time, he wanders off the road and .

falls off a cliff.

Liberty

If there was a God why would He promote or endorse those who promote false dates over and over again? What purpose is served by the advertizement of nonevents which would humiliate normal humans let alone God on a regular basis? This alone proves that the Watch Tower Society has never recieved any "spirit guidence" in it's constant supply of false predictions. It is mind boggeling just how big of a failure they have been at predicting anything for well over 100 years. A 100% failure rate for well over a century and yet we believed and new victims are always ready to believe it any way.

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I Am Legend JW email

by Descender in

jw
friends

so my sister-in-law, who is a pretty hardcore jw, showed me an email that looked like it had been passed around quite a bit, so i figured someone on here had probably seen it.

supposedley it's a picture from the movie "i am legend" where will smith is walking through new york and all the buildings in the background are in ruins except for the bethel building, which stands out, undamaged and clean.

i watched the movie and don't remember seeing anything like that so i just figured that some jw photoshopped it and sent it out to the jw community to show that the bethel building is protected by god even in a post apocaliptical world run over with zombie vampires.

Liberty

None of the buildings are destroyed in the movie except the ones Will Smith blows up fighting vampires at the end. The bridges were blown by the military to seal the city off for quarantine but there was no war to destroy the buildings. This was a virus emergency (as someone else pointed out) not a war so the Watch Tower buildings look like all the other buildings. JWs need to actually see the movie before they jump to these idiotic conclusions.