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  Anointed VS. G.B.: Who is Faithful Slave Class?

  by Liberty in

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  2. friends

  plmkrzy's post about the wt article on who should partake of the "emblems" really brings to light a serious contradiction in the watch tower society's own convoluted theology.

  many here have already pointed out these contradictions but i think it needs repeating in a clear post of its own.

  if, as this new wt article claims, an anointed one does not have any "greater understanding" of scripture than the non-anointed then what happens to the old teaching that the anointed are regularly in communication with jah's holy spirit and transmit these communications to the wt society's leadership?

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  Question: ONLY ANOINTED ARE UNFORGIVABLE ?

  by Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  minimus got me to thinking in his thread about the unforgivable sin and judging apostates.

  i hope someone with a clearer memory than mine can confirm or deny what i remember.

  i have some vague memory that the society taught that only members of the "anointed class" (144,000) could commit the unforgivable sin against the the holy spirit because only they had been called by it personally and, therefore, only they could reject it consciously and willfully.

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  DEMONS SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME!!!!

  by Liberty in

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  2. friends

  since most of us here are ex-jws i'm sure we all have been scared of demons at one time or another as their touted reality is a basic cornerstone of the watch tower philosophy.

  gossip and rumors dealing with demon attacks are encouraged by the society in local congregations and such stories frequently appear in watch tower publications to further strengthen the argument that demons are real and are ready at any opening to "demonize" us if we fall short of deserving "jehovah's protection" or foolishly venture beyond the protection of "jehovah's organization".. since belief in demonic beings is so widespread inside the jw community, current or ex, many have reported encounters with these minions of satan.

  i take these reports seriously, for the most part, knowing how real demons once seemed to me i can easily believe that someone with a similar jw background may think that they really are the victims of such supernatural forces.

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  WHY OLD AGE IS DANGEROUS IN GB MEMBERS

  by Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after reading a topic critical of our poking fun at the watchtower society's ancient governing body i could not help but be reminded of the stupid pronouncments that this aged state induces when the gb claim to be "spirit directed" by god.

  most of the goofy "the end is near" disappointments which have ruined so many lives over the years among the watchtower's cult members are due to the desire of those in charge to see their "end time hopes" fulfilled before they died.. russel was an old man near death as he pushed hard that the end must be in 1914. rutherford was dying of cancer in the 1940's as he pushed hard for wwii being the sure sign of armageddon's start.

  fred franz pushed 1975 for the same reasons knowing that his own time was limited.

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  Seeing reality,JWs are "oddball crackpots...

  by Liberty in

  1. social
  2. current

  after reading you know's response to the dateline expose' i was reminded of my own brain washing years ago while being raised as a jw.

  it seems so funny to me now but i too used to believe that we jws were completely normal and that anyone who said otherwise was misinformed.

  when i finally removed myself from the watchtower society's influence reality slowly crept into my consciousness and the objective fact that jws are "oddball crackpots" became clear and indisputable.. as a jw i believed in a whole host of absolutely ridiculous and illogical idiocy.

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  Unclepenn1 list how JC transformed the world

  by Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please elaborate your evidence from our previous discussion about how jesus christ's rising from the grave has transformed the world beyond that of the impact of other religious/philisophical leaders such as mohamed, lao tsu, and the buddha.

  you mentioned that this event was responsible for various general reforms and advances in medicine and society for examples, however, i am only aware of the slow down in progress due to the repression of science by the early christian church.

  i am also aware of the brutality of bible sanctioned punishments imposed on generations of innocent victims for imaginary crimes like witchcraft, and of the bible's acceptance of slavery as a normal social condition.

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  KILLER JWs NOT LIKELY BUT.............

  by Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i find it highly unlikely that the watchtower society would ever demand that their followers start armageddon by killing their/god's "enemies".

  such a move would quickly spell the death of the jw movement as they are such a tiny minority of the general population and such crazed behaviour would be met with swift and complete irradication of the society by even the most tolerant governments.

  the cowards who run the society would never risk such an assured loss of comfort, position, and money since any accomplishment gained from this desparate(irrational)action would be very short-lived.

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  DO EVEN DIE HARD JWs REALLY THINK THE END IS NEAR

  by Liberty in

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  2. friends

  after reading a couple of posts about the growing apathy among the r&f jws today i was reminded of the years following 1975 when the dropout rate was growing rapidly and the "faithful" die hards took it as a sign that the "end" was really really near since the winnowing process was removing so much chaff.

  keep in mind that this was over 25 years ago.

  it's been mentioned before but it is worth repeating that, no matter what is happening, religious fanatics(jws) always see it as a sign from god.

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  MORE ON 1975, FOR MUSKY

  by Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  along with musky's 1975 post i've just seen another so i wanted to try and reach musky again and reach others who wonder about the reality of the society's 1975 speculations.

  af and others have done an excellent job documenting what was actually said by the watchtower society through their own official publications and spokesmen.

  as a person who was actually there in those heady times of the late 60's and early 70's these official documents confirm what my memory tells me i knew all along, that of course the society actively promoted 1975 as a "marked date" or a date of "great significance" at the very least.

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  HOW GOD GETS MESSAGE TO WATCHTOWER LEADERSHIP

  by Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just how do the 144,000 co-rule the earthly organization with christ?

  i started thinking about this subject again after seeing the post on the watchtower as a false prophet.

  do any of you remember how this was explained in the old days (i've been out so long i don't know if this is now "old light")?

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