Posts by Lieu

Those crazies don't even have the basis of understanding to notice Jesus' "other sheep" reference was about the gentile nations who also needed to be brought into the flock.

There's only one flock.

Ignore those misled blind men.

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Does the GB get a salary?

by myownlife in

i was asked this question by a co-worker who is also a former witless....anyone know the answer?.

i am also wondering if any salary is paid to the witless worker bees other than room/board?

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Lieu

Yeah, keep not going to college and working those low wage jobs struggling to pay bills while they live it up bill & debt free off your donations.

As for the rest of the money, well, shareholder dividends. Ya'll do know that, yes? They used to put the annual shareholders meeting notice in an Awake ... don't know if they still do since most of the shareholders aren't JWs.

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easier to leave christendom or wts?

by diamondiiz in

this is mostly for those that were recruited by jws from another christian religion.

i was brought up a rc and converted to wts religion when i was young and naive.

when i switched over to wts i felt some anger towards my former religion but it was nothing compare to what i feel towards wts.

Lieu

I just walked out of the WT meeting one day and never went back. Of course, I was single w/no kids too which made it quite easy.

One time tho' one of the new youngie type elders came by to have an encoura- talkie along with a sister (guess they were out making RVs in the area or whatever). Guy sat so far across the room that I yelled, "Do I offend?" When he looked as though he couldn't comprehend, I said, "Brother I'd send the question by carrier pigeon but I think they all died in the war".

The sister almost fell out of the chair laughing and the elder youngin' turned beet red; which was interesting since he was a med brown complexioned AA guy.

Weird, he never came back.

Anywho, people with whole families in the JWs is a huge difference from people whose whole families are say Catholics. (Pentacostles are like JWs tho'.) Catholics really don't care and they'll still associate as long as you are family. Basically, Catholics (nowadays) they'll just try and be nice to win you back whereas JWs treat you like a dog (ie. Medieval Catholisism behavior), family or not, and think this somehow will win people back.

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whoa some of russells teachings where more correct than current JW teachings please comment

by recovering in

i was on wikipedia looking up some of charles taze russells teachings, look at what i found.

whoa some of russells teachings where more correct than current jw teachings .

please discuss.

Lieu

I used to have the actual Studies in the Scriptures Volumes ... man was that stuff wierd and full of astrology/numerology.

Russel was like a mix of Millerite & Mayan, however, I don't fault him with trying to understand the Bible, I fault him with doing something he nor anyone else has any business trying to do - something the Bible says belongs only for God to know.

That very thing the WTS today can't let go of - stealing from Jah, displacing Jesus, identity theft, etc.

The God of the Bible can't have a dayum "tree" and now he can't have a dayum "day" to himself.

When is all this theft going to end?

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ANOTHER GILEAD STUDENT

by not sure yet in

i've been reading this forum a for some time now.

since i find myself on a crossroad i decided to start participating.

i was at gilead in 1980 and remember standing in de elevator alone with ray franz, how just gave us a lecture.

Lieu

Welcome!

Interesting story. I'd say everyone has their not so sure moments, its normal human behavior ... its how people are treated during those moments that mark the path they will take.

*See ("Doubting") Thomas as an example. Note Jesus' response to his doubts.

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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

by Ultimate Reality in

from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

Lieu

That's what folks get for believing loons claiming an "invisible" Christ enthronement in in 18-something twice and then in 1914.

Ya'll do realize there was cocaine in coca cola back then and using heroine along a few poisonous substances for ailments was normal. They were HIGH!

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I overheard a nauseating conversation . . .

by 144001 in

jw
friends

i was in the produce section of a local market, when i happened to overhear the following comment: "we celebrate christ's birth every day of the year, not just on christmas!

" i turned and knew the nature of the source of the comment immediately, judging by the polyester pantsuit and delusional "deer in headlights" look on her face.

her companion replied, "but i like celebrating christmas and don't see anything wrong with it.

Lieu

Were there any smurfs nearby?

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Does anyone find it too painful to read the WTS publications?

by dissed in

jw
friends

been out 13 years and even for research purposes, i find it way too painful to read this wt stuff.. and why?.

all the painful memories it brings back.

don't misread me, it has nothing to do with a guilty conscience.. it has to do with the real pain, the anger of being ripped off and lied too by the wts, the anger of seing how they have protected child molesters, sacrificed its followers by refusing blood transfusions, the treacherous way we and others were treated by the 'unloving brothers'.

Lieu

I actually liked the Greatest Man Who Ever Lived book [for some strange reason I had the feeling it was written by a woman or someone very in touch with his femme side] ... and that's about it. No WT & Aw!

As for the WT, why do some bother to pre-read the articles? Its not like they won't be read boring paragraph by boring paragraph while you're at the KH. You could be doing something far more pertinent with your time - like filling a Pez dispenser.

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Mental Illness with Jehovah's Witnesses

by Hope4Others in

this presentation goes over jerry bergman's research on mental illness with jehovah's witnesses.

this includes over 8 different research projects conducted by different doctors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urbxtvuat1g.

Lieu

No. Hope4others makes good points about the pressures many families face, and then the keeping up meetings and field service. It can all get too much. You never feel good enough, always inferior. Even when you try to improve, its not enough. Go to therapy and you're told you shouldnt do it because you might be taught unscriptural and worldly thinking. Its like being caught between a rock and a hard place. What do you do?
Some in the congregation still believe that mental illness can be fixed by just witnessing more, studying more, and making sure you're at every meeting. No, it goes deeper than that.

Exactamundo. Anyone who has worked with large groups in say agencies or has supervised a large number of employees knows that continuously telling poeple under your care that enough is never enough, will drag them down.

Some seem not to understand, you can certainly depress the heck out of perfectly normal people. Just throw on an overbearing load of tasks, tell them they aren't ever good enough, advise them to do "more", policy: if a problem arises simply ignore it and busy yourself w/work, and lastly say there's a "real soon" timeframe to get the work done. You will crush their spirits ... easily.