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  Audio: Generation teaching as explained at the San Diego District Convention 05-30-2010

  by kurtbethel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is an excerpt from the final talk of the day, "remain in the secret place of the most high".

  i looked around as this explanation was being offered up, and the looks on the faces of people there was mostly disinterest.

  this is a very convoluted explanation that reminds me of someone running a con and trying to cobble together an explanation to deal with legitimate objections to their false claims.. http://www.sendspace.com/file/dodp4w.

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  Lieu

  I could sooo not listen to that whole file. I'll try again when I'm drunk.

  Thanx for the file.
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  A few new pictures from Alaska

  by upnorth in

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  2. friends

  last week (i left on 5-17-10) i was sent to juneau to work i took about 5 gb worth of pictures and a few short video clips.

  the camera was a nikon coolpix l22, it's a pretty decent little camera.

  unfortunately it had a dust spot or two under the lens.

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  Lieu

  Nice snaps. Beautiful place.

  Too bad it rains too much and is dark near 6 months out of a year. (aka forever night)
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  I didn't know what a JW was, until I fell for one

  by headoverheels in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  when i fell for him i was completely unaware of his upbringing as a jw and only became aware once he decided to leave a few months back.

  being raised without much of a religious basis, besides the typical western christian exposure, i have researched, read, attended groups, read in this forum, to try to better understand him, and jws, but i am feeling at a loss here.

  he just recently left the jws and now i am experiencing this struggle with him; i am wondering how much of our problems can be contributed to this transition.

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  Lieu

  Sheesh!!! This guy is only your BF right? He curses you already? Are you crazy?!!

  Kick him to the curb before you become his punching bag. [I'm serious.]

  He has zero respect for you.
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  Most-Ignored Scriptures by JWs

  by Mad Sweeney in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower has been known for over 130 years as a great scriptural cherry-picker.

  they pick out disparate unrelated verses and combine them to support the wackiest of wacky doctrines.. on the other hand there are many scriptures they almost never address, whether because they contradict wt doctrine or because they simply don't have a clue what they mean or how to spin them to the wt advantage.. one of these is revelation 19:1 that mentions a "great crowd" "in heaven.

  " the only time it is ever brought up it is dismissed.

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  Lieu

  GodsWord

  Duet 18:

  19 Whoever refuses to listen to the words that prophet speaks in my name will answer to me.
  20 But any prophet who dares to say something in my name that I didn't command him to say or who speaks in the name of other gods must die."
  21 You may be wondering, "How can we recognize that the LORD didn't speak this message?"
  22 If a prophet speaks in the LORD's name and what he says doesn't happen or come true, then it didn't come from the LORD. That prophet has spoken on his own authority. Never be afraid of him.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinistic Predestination

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a complex question, and i just want to get a discussion started on the message of jehovah's witnesses and how it relates to their adventist roots, and esp calvinism.. bear with me, i will try to be concise.. we all know that while jehovah's witnesses like to deny adventist roots, that it is clear that according to them, the man jesus selected to get the whole thing started, c t russell, was heavily influenced by adventist ideas, esp the (adventist) idea that has really never left them; the idea that somehow, a time date or period can be inferred from the bible if you read certain scriptures through an adventist lens.

  (thus, the 2520 years, 7 gentile times, etc.).

  so while this is relatively well known, there is a concept that jehovah's witnesses teach against, yet practice.

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  Lieu

  Whatever the case of theology, I know the JWs got that crazy invisible return and 'end times' insanity from William Miller (Millerites).
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  Moving On after being a JW

  by man in black in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after leaving this religion has there been anything that you have done that is completely separate, or negative from their belief/control system.

  yet from a worldy viewpoint you make a difference,,, a positive stamp in some aspect of everyday life ?.

  for an example to get things started, one thing that i have done is trained my dog to help people in the hospital.

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  Lieu

  Yeah, I actually help people now.

  It feels good to actually DO something for other people without any conditions ... simlpy seeing a real need and filling it.

  Thinking about volunteering with Habitat for Humanity. Imagine finally building something that actually benefits someone.

  I'm so wicked and gonna die.
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  Alone?

  by chron82 in

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  2. friends

  i just wanted to introduce myself.

  my name is chris and i'm on my way out of the only "society" i've known.. i was raised a witness and have been a ministerial servant for a while now.

  i recently notified the elder body that i will be stepping down and it will soon be official.

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  Welcome Chris!

  Take your time.
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  why are women so forgiving in jehovahs witnesses ?

  by looloo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a jw girl i used to work with a few weeks back who was married for about 8 years and has 2 children , she was in a right state and told me her husband had just left her for a work collegue and said he no longer loved her !

  within a month i see her again and she took him back within a wk of him going to live with this other woman , she told me she blamed herself for not having sex often enough !and they were working on their marriage !

  why would you want someone who said they no longer loved you ?

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  Lieu

  Weird how JWs have "mates" like donkeys and dogs instead of husbands/wives.

  I see more JW ladies marrying "outside" now because what's available "inside" isn't worth the bother. "Two becoming one" means there is mutual respect and dignity.

  You can't get that when one is drilled to be seen as inferior to the other - that there type of relationship is called master/slave.
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  CO visit comments: Facebook & new "generation" teaching

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just a couple more gems from the recent co visit:.

  in his meeting with elders / ms, he was warning of the "dangers" of the internet.

  following is a more or less accurate quotation:.

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  Lieu

  Oh no!

  FB is trying to get the olds a hook-up? All that wrinkly old flesh holding hands while sitting togther enjoying the sunsets - satanic.

  FB friend requests - satanic

  Happiness - satanic

  Technology - satanic

  One Generation that is, was, and will be - spiritual

  Being a modern day Jonah - spiritual

  Bizzarro!
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  New CO talk: Be loyal to Org. even if you get weird instructions or can prove them wrong doctrinally!

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  theme was something about "loyalty to jehovah's visible organization".. i have neither the time nor inclination to summarize the whole thing, but a few points stood out:.

  even if it causes you personal hardship.

  example: joshua & caleb returned from spy trip to promised land with good report, but were "outvoted" by the other 10 spies.

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  Lieu

  Wow .... just wow!