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  Why it's a waste of time talking to JW's

  by Phizzy in

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  i believe it to be a waste of time talking to, reasoning with, jw's if you expect any kind of quick result.. many of us when we first wake up think that 'coz ttatt is blindingly obvious to us, it will soon get through to our jw loved ones.. this simply isn't so for a couple of important reasons.

  the first is that, if someone believes something is true, or the truth, to them it really is, without doubt, true.

  so whatever you say must be wrong somehow.. the second problem is that jw's simply do not have to use, or pay any attention to facts and logic.

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  If most believe they are happy in their ignorance, it's definitely a waste of time.

  Most wake up on their own. And it's usually some crazy internal change or article/talk/doubt/etc which does it. External exchange has very little to do with it.

  The research into things comes after the awakening not before. Most have to have that wait, huh, moment from something said in an article or a talk. 

  What anyone outside the internal sphere said would have meant nothing to me. You're just Satan trying his best to mislead in my mind. JW think.
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  Maybe I'm Just Ignorant About the New "Anti-Gay" Video

  by turtleturtle in

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  2. friends

  homophobia (m-w.com):.

  : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

  can someone tell me, specifically, was homophobic about the new "anti-gay" wt video.

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  Yeah, Russell was a bit Eurocentric and lacked quite heavily on Biblical knowledge.

  Everyone knows the land of Canaan was in the Middle East, not Africa. Is Israel in Africa? No. And 2 of Israelite tribes were part Egyptian (Africans); the 2 sons of Joseph. [No Arabs in Africa back then]

  Whenever Israelites including Abraham, Mary & Joseph, et al needed to hide from crazies, they always fled to Africa. That's pretty much where the always went.

  But Russell was a man of his times and held beliefs consistent with his baptist/protestat past and general US American rascist thought. Not to mention it was an erroneous teaching of the RCC for centuries.

  I chalk that up to RCC envy. No one saught refuge in Europe, not ever. Under persecution, Christians saught refuge in Egypt and Turkey.
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  Maybe I'm Just Ignorant About the New "Anti-Gay" Video

  by turtleturtle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  homophobia (m-w.com):.

  : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

  can someone tell me, specifically, was homophobic about the new "anti-gay" wt video.

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  Lieu

  It's in poor taste.

  Also, it does promote fear in young people living with same sex couples.

  *Keep in mind the prevailing theme of fear in JWism.*

  The young girl talking with her counterpart is going to be fearful of same sex relationships and those in them. Why? Because she's being taught that it displease God so much they'll not be allowed in paradise, ergo it's wicked because only the wicked don't make it.

  Her counterpart must now go home terrified that the ones she loves are going to die or be punished by God. Not only that but she has been made responsible for delivering the bad news.

  Emotional child abuse. It also shows the lack of love and empathy for the position her counterpart is in.
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  Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

  anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

  i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

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  .... and little girls with dollies. <----- Talk about spooky
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  Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

  anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

  i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

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  Lol @ Half banana

  Well at least I wasn't afraid of them. I mean really, if God was supposed to be on my side why should I be afraid of the less powerful?

  Those first century biblical people didn't seem to be all that afraid of them. They used possessed people to make money a few times that I recall reading.

  The whole fear mongering over demons is kinda silly. From a Biblical standpoint:

  1.Who's more powerful demons, Jesus, or God? Who are adherents supposed to fear?

  2. Where in the Bible does it say they jump into inanimate objects? Nowhere. If they did that, I would think there'd be instances in the Bible where some idols actually spoke to people. Don't you? (Talk about having some bad boy fun.) So no, that vase sister Jones bought at a yard sale is not demon possessed.

  Core theme with the WTBTS is to be feared and instill with fear of just about everything. Sad really.
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  The "apostacy stigmatisation" of doing research!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a thought occurred that the way the society has stigmatised the doing of external research by witnesses, and labelling any such questioning as "apostate", is tragic.. no doubt, in every other aspect of life, we research things before making decisions.

  eg, if making a purchase, we go online and check reviews etc to check the product out.

  we don't just trust the words of the marketing department.

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  Doesn't apostate literally translate as "runaway slave"?

  Kinda worrisome when a religious groups leaders think you're it's slave. Hmmm. They higher ups do seem to have a master-slave mentality towards the general members.

  "Do more" *whip cracks* "Do more" ...

  Boss a few just ran away

  Cut them off! Those apostates!
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  Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

  anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

  i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

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  Meh Crofty,

  There might be an alternate dimension that bleeds into this one at times. Who knows for certain?

  
  

  Islandman,

  What if there are far more advanced lifeforms in the universe that can possess a human? And for them possessing a human is like playing with a remote controlled car but more fun.
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  Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

  anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

  i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

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  Lieu

  Around the time my mom started with the JWs she said I had three invisible friends named sheol, sheal, and shole. (A 2 yr old mind you).

  Odd. I guess it's better to have death as a friend than an enemy.
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  Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

  anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

  i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

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  Lieu

  I always had this weird dream about a couple of (drunken) demons on a parking lot in front of a police station tossing nearby neighborhood cars around. The police surround them but can't do anything about them. I show up take a police baton from some officer and draw a circle around the demons ... They can't go beyond the circle so they get mad and fling more cars. I'm not afraid of them.

  The lead demon starts shouting at me. Why are you bothering us? I say it's not their time yet. Anyhow, a glowing yellow sword comes down from heaven and I step into the circle to fight the leader. Once I get the better of it, my sword turns red and demon leaders face has a look of horror on it. I slash, it dies.

  The other couple of demons start screeching in horror. My sword returns to yellow and at that point some Angelic police swoop down with chains and smash bore the demons into the earth core prison; leaving a huge hole in the ground.

  The sword disappears and that's pretty much it.
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Lieu

  If i were going the biblical route then I would have to go with what Jesus said. His prophetic words, his message. Christ is the Word of God. Anyone bringing a different message is to be ignored.

  I would pay no attention to the opinions coming out of NY on the matter. Past, present, or future.