For the above post..... it should say : Russel changed the date and formula a few times until it fit 1914. Patterned after Miller, of course.
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by jwfacts inthe watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.
as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.
but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.
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Apart from JW's, do others still feel 1914 was a turning point in history?
by jwfacts inthe watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.
as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.
but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.
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Lieu
No, aside from WWI. (Actually, Russel changed the date a few times.)
Russell and Miller had some issues with numerology. Dude was (and most of his followers today are) serious number nut(s).
When the JWs try to figure out dates, they remind me of occultists looking into crystal balls. I've never seen so many lust so hard to find a date they aren't supposed to know anway.
I never did believe the date stuff and I always felt dirty when it was discussed at length in a lesson.....Jws are like Adam & Eve in the fashion they think its alright to steal (knowledge) from God because they'd like to know.
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Up to our elbows in Newbs on JWD
by IP_SEC inwow, what's going on here?
i look at all the new folk here that seem to have joined in the past 2 months and are posters who are under 100 posts and i gotta wonder why.. has something happened in dubland recently to cause a lot of folk to reach out?
if you are new here at jwd, how did you find us?
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Does Genesis 1:26 support Devine Trinity???
by zagor ini've seen several comments about trinity, so here goes another one: .
please read again genesis 1:26
this is very interesting paragraph and many times is being used as a proof of trinity as it says let us create .
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An easy correlation between God and Christ as His Word is the account of Moses and Aaron.
Not that God is a poor speaker but the relationship is the same.
Moses imparted the message and Aaron was his Word, so to speak.
Exodus 4: 14 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put the words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. 16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people; and it shall come to pass, [b]that he shall be to thee a mouth, and thou shalt be to him as God. [/b]17 And thou shalt take in thy hand this rod, wherewith thou shalt do the signs. -
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Is Early Christianity the Basis For JW Practices?
by OldSoul inearly christianity: what was it like?
did the early christians ask the public for donations to fund their ministry or other works?.
did the early christians encourage believers to distribute communications from the apostles and older men in jerusalem to the public as a primary part of their ministry?.
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From the Commentaries of Luther on Galations:
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"Paul is speaking of a far better liberty, the liberty "wherewith Christ hath made us free," not from material bonds, not from the Babylonian captivity, not from the tyranny of the Turks, but from the eternal wrath of God.
Where is this liberty? In the conscience.
Our conscience is free and quiet because it no longer has to fear the wrath of God. This is real liberty, compared with which every other kind of liberty is not worth mentioning. Who can adequately express the boon that comes to a person when he has the heart-assurance that God will nevermore be angry with him, but will forever be merciful to him for Christ's sake? This is indeed a marvelous liberty, to have the sovereign God for our Friend and Father who will defend, maintain, and save us in this life and in the life to come.
As an outgrowth of this liberty, we are at the same time free from the Law, sin, death, the power of the devil, hell, etc. Since the wrath of God has been assuaged by Christ no Law, sin, or death may now accuse and condemn us. These foes of ours will continue to frighten us, but not too much. The worth of our Christian liberty cannot be exaggerated. Our conscience must he trained to fall back on the freedom purchased for us by Christ. Though the fears of the Law, the terrors of sin, the horror of death assail us occasionally, we know that these feelings shall not endure, because the prophet quotes God as saying: "In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment: but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee." ( Isa 54:8 .)
We shall appreciate this liberty all the more when we bear in mind that it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who purchased it with His own blood.
Hence, Christ's liberty is given us not by the Law, or for our own righteousness, but freely for Christ's sake. In the eighth chapter of the Gospel of St. John, Jesus declares: "If the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." Joh 8:32 He only stands between us and the evils which trouble and afflict us and which He has overcome for us.
Reason cannot properly evaluate this gift. Who can fully appreciate the blessing of the forgiveness of sins and of everlasting life? Our opponents claim that they also possess this liberty. But they do not. When they are put to the test all their self- confidence slips from them. What else can they expect when they trust in works and not in the Word of God?"
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What was taught and endured by the first century Christians started going to hell before the real Apostles died. Why do you think they said the apostasy had already started before their deaths? What we have today is nothing close to what they had. By the third century, I believe Christianity was completely screwed up from its roots and most of the Christians were dead from persecution under the hands of the Romans.
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''YOU are my witnesses,'' Trump card (and comfort blanket)
by MidwichCuckoo inthis, i find, is always the bottom line.
'" "'you are my witnesses,'' is the utterance of jehovah, ''and i am god.
as his name is jehovah, the people must be jehovah's witnesses.
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''YOU are my witnesses,'' Trump card (and comfort blanket)
by MidwichCuckoo inthis, i find, is always the bottom line.
'" "'you are my witnesses,'' is the utterance of jehovah, ''and i am god.
as his name is jehovah, the people must be jehovah's witnesses.
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#1. Its silly to think God picks people depending on when they are born and not on their heart condition. Its even sillier for a bunch of foolish men to tell God when he should stop picking.
More like JW originators closing up the gates of Heaven so they won't enter and no one else can.
#2. A witness is someone who can testify on something seen or heard first hand.
I doubt the GB has seen or heard much of anything while hiding in NY. They claim to hear stuff but its never right. Most of the old heads were 20 or so when they became Bible Students and never grew out of their juvenile foolishness.
#3. Why bring Jesus into a conversation dealing with JWs?
He's insignificant in their minds, they ignore him altogether, jump the chain-of-command, and go straight to being witnesses of Jah. Never mind that sacrifice or heavenly arrangement business.
#4. How long did it take for JW bosses to include the word "Christian" in their title?
People. They (the bosses) don't want to be Christians, Christianity implores way too much freedom of mind. They want to be something of a mixture of Free Masons in accordance with Canonical Judaic Law.
They want to Lord. You can't Lord over free people, so forget the Christ stuff, its too nice for them. The only way to do such is to ignore being a witness of, gasp, Christ and go for reverting to an ancient Israelite; which allows small minds to behave like the priesthood saying," we still need sacrifices you sinners". -
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5/23/05 KM Article "Jehovah's Day is Near"
by TheListener into be covered during service meetings week of 5/23/05.. q&a.
1. christians ardently desire the coming of jehovah's day, through which he will destroy the present system of things and usher in a new world of righteousness.
(2 peter 3:12,13, ftn.
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Is Early Christianity the Basis For JW Practices?
by OldSoul inearly christianity: what was it like?
did the early christians ask the public for donations to fund their ministry or other works?.
did the early christians encourage believers to distribute communications from the apostles and older men in jerusalem to the public as a primary part of their ministry?.
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They're Millerites. Prophecy nuts. Consumed with doom and gloom for their own selfish purposes. Like Jonah, and unlike Abraham God's friend, JWs are elated to go give a death message to the inhabitants of modern Ninevah....and would be pissed if people didn't get killed for repenting. Abraham, on the other hand, would be bargaining for lives to the end as he did in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah.
JWs whole premise for existance as God's channel is their being "in the know" of when Christ returned (um, invisibly)....and that 1914 date wasn't even the one,of the many, chosen by the originators of the religion.
What amazes me is that every Biblical writer (AD) said no one knows when Christ's return would be, not even Christ.....but nooooooo! Millerites and their spawn offspring JWs HAVE to keep trying to say and guess exactly when it will be in defiance to God.
Its like Adam and Eve .... God can't have his own tree .... Adam and Eve stole from God when they ate from His tree.
With JWs he can't have his own "appointed time" ...JWs are obsessed with trying to steal the date from God.
Begin rant...
The reason you see no signs of Christianity (love, inner happiness, Good Samaritan behavior, bible wisdom) in JWism is because their leaders are all up on a tree they don't belong on, like a certain snake. Its not about the happy message Christ or the Apostles preached. JWs are obsessed with dates and the big A, not the Bible's message of love. They're focused on the negative not the positive.
Hypocrites! Sons of vipers! Making God's word meaningless with all their stupid rman made rules. God's word the Bible; who needs that thing anyway? We don't need a Bible, we have something better than God's word. We have the Watchtower rag coming from imperfect men who claim not to be prophets although appointed but not....'cause the Bible is not good enough for us by itself.
I feel much better now. End rant.
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Am I wrong to feel this way
by stillajwexelder ini am supposed to love being with the brothers at the kh.
i can not wait to post on this board.
i prefer the intellectual emotional stimulation of the people on this board.
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No.
JWs have taken what was once the early Christian's opportunity to gather together,( tell experiences, give an upbuilding discourse, eat, and actually enjoy fellowship in love) into a boring rudimentary procedure void of any upbuilding stimuli.
As a whole, they're full of negative speak and 'buzzwords'. Now, there are those who are quite interesting (ie normal) about.The thing I noticed most, when everyone leaves out of the KH, they seem to cheer up and come back to life. When everyone is inside the KH, it appears they lose their liveliness and become almost as if dead. They are extremely afraid of what others think of them, to their own detriment. Because of this, JW's behave in an 'expected' manner so you really never know who they might truly be.
The 'expected' manner is to be a bore void of any thought.