Without reading the context, who would have any clue what a lone scripture was referring to? If Jesus thought one lone scripture was all that was needed to prove a point, he wouldn't have bothered putting them into context using parables or discussing the entire events surrounding the scripture.
Posts by Lieu
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14I corinthians chapter 11 verse 17 onwards???
by evergreen inok, i was reading this chapter today in my back garden and was astounded at what i had just read.
every year as long as i have been a witness vs 28 is mentioned that a man should examine himself under scutiny before eating the bread and drinking the wine.
obviously implying that only the anointed are to partake of the emblems etc.
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Are "orbs" in photographs spirits?
by LovesDubs inas weird as i may be perceived, i do believe you can catch spirit entities on film.
and the more you believe in them the more you get on your pictures.
they are attracted to frovility, laughing, children, parties, families...and i take pictures at every function i go to and they arent always there.
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Lieu
Yes, but only if made by Smurfs.
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JWs and the Internet
by JW_Researcher ini posted the question below but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.
nina indicated that the jws have been "instructed" not to use the internet.
my understanding was that they were to use caution.
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Lieu
For people so in touch with God and having his favor, they sure do have a whacky fear of demons....they see them everywhere and in everything.
If God is on their side, and he's more powerful than his erring creations of angels (demons), then why the hell are they afraid of demons? Talk about lack of faith. I think its too many horror movies, myself. -
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How would the Governing Body treat Jesus if he were on earth today?
by unbrainwashed in.
they would criticize him for "independent thinking" and eventually disfellowship him for apostasy for not going along with their religious system and doctrines, don't you think?.
oh wait...that's kind of like what the sanhedrin did to him 2,000 years ago..
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Lieu
That's about right but not before saying he was "bad association" for eating with and entertaining/cheering-up less desirable (weak) brothers.
He'd definitely have to go if he used full context parables without using the out of context norm.
Should he be seen talking with the Samaritan woman (or any woman OMFG) then he'd be "accused" of loose conduct.
The single brother visiting his friend's sisters (also his friends) could cost him some gossiper's allegation of immorality and brand Lazerus' sisters as whores.
Lazerus' death would be an alleged result of immorality and poor field service hours.
Any mention that he is appointed mediator upon completion of his mission would send the elders into a tizzy fit shouting apostacy! They might stone him for denying the WTBTS as mediator....that one's up for debate.
Going in FS without a territory map would get him banged.
Not reporting time would get him 'seriously counseled'.
A failure to place literature will get him labled.
Conducting any miraculous ventures would cause him to be called demon possessed....as would touching a Smurf. -
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No information for the great crowd in the bible......................
by vitty inim not very articulate and find it hard to explain myself but here goes-------------------.
i always wondered (not too deeply).
everything was about the hope for a resurrection in heaven, nothing about an earthly paradise.
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Lieu
That's that Masonic stuff permeating into JWism. No other Christian sect has such silliness (except maybe the Mormons...and that fellow was a Freemason too.)
The Freemasons have little secret groups within the bigger group that they refer to as the "elect" .... wording used by Russell and Rutherford quite a bit. Only the "elect" after completing a bunch of rituals and various other acts were supposed to be told the real meaning of everything.
If you have a small central group that has "secrets" and "secret meetings"; particularly apart from the whole group .... then they aren't Christian.
There are no secrets in Christianity and Christ was transparent as were the biblical Apostles. If the Bible had been written by the GB of JW's, no one would have a clue what happened at the meeting in the book of Acts...heck, there probably wouldn't be a book of Acts....everything is such a damn secret with that Org.
THeir interpretation on the GC is incorrect as has been so many other intepretations they have made. I'd ignore it, the Bible was written for everyone not just those who think they are "more special"...not very Christlike IMO. -
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Apart from JW's, do others still feel 1914 was a turning point in history?
by jwfacts inthe watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.
as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.
but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.
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Lieu
For the above post..... it should say : Russel changed the date and formula a few times until it fit 1914. Patterned after Miller, of course.
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Apart from JW's, do others still feel 1914 was a turning point in history?
by jwfacts inthe watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.
as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.
but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.
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Lieu
No, aside from WWI. (Actually, Russel changed the date a few times.)
Russell and Miller had some issues with numerology. Dude was (and most of his followers today are) serious number nut(s).
When the JWs try to figure out dates, they remind me of occultists looking into crystal balls. I've never seen so many lust so hard to find a date they aren't supposed to know anway.
I never did believe the date stuff and I always felt dirty when it was discussed at length in a lesson.....Jws are like Adam & Eve in the fashion they think its alright to steal (knowledge) from God because they'd like to know.
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Up to our elbows in Newbs on JWD
by IP_SEC inwow, what's going on here?
i look at all the new folk here that seem to have joined in the past 2 months and are posters who are under 100 posts and i gotta wonder why.. has something happened in dubland recently to cause a lot of folk to reach out?
if you are new here at jwd, how did you find us?
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Lieu
Welcome new folks!!!
From the guilty as charged of the forgot the intro post section. -
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Does Genesis 1:26 support Devine Trinity???
by zagor ini've seen several comments about trinity, so here goes another one: .
please read again genesis 1:26
this is very interesting paragraph and many times is being used as a proof of trinity as it says let us create .
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Lieu
An easy correlation between God and Christ as His Word is the account of Moses and Aaron.
Not that God is a poor speaker but the relationship is the same.
Moses imparted the message and Aaron was his Word, so to speak.
Exodus 4: 14 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put the words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. 16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people; and it shall come to pass, [b]that he shall be to thee a mouth, and thou shalt be to him as God. [/b]17 And thou shalt take in thy hand this rod, wherewith thou shalt do the signs. -
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Is Early Christianity the Basis For JW Practices?
by OldSoul inearly christianity: what was it like?
did the early christians ask the public for donations to fund their ministry or other works?.
did the early christians encourage believers to distribute communications from the apostles and older men in jerusalem to the public as a primary part of their ministry?.
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Lieu
From the Commentaries of Luther on Galations:
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"Paul is speaking of a far better liberty, the liberty "wherewith Christ hath made us free," not from material bonds, not from the Babylonian captivity, not from the tyranny of the Turks, but from the eternal wrath of God.
Where is this liberty? In the conscience.
Our conscience is free and quiet because it no longer has to fear the wrath of God. This is real liberty, compared with which every other kind of liberty is not worth mentioning. Who can adequately express the boon that comes to a person when he has the heart-assurance that God will nevermore be angry with him, but will forever be merciful to him for Christ's sake? This is indeed a marvelous liberty, to have the sovereign God for our Friend and Father who will defend, maintain, and save us in this life and in the life to come.
As an outgrowth of this liberty, we are at the same time free from the Law, sin, death, the power of the devil, hell, etc. Since the wrath of God has been assuaged by Christ no Law, sin, or death may now accuse and condemn us. These foes of ours will continue to frighten us, but not too much. The worth of our Christian liberty cannot be exaggerated. Our conscience must he trained to fall back on the freedom purchased for us by Christ. Though the fears of the Law, the terrors of sin, the horror of death assail us occasionally, we know that these feelings shall not endure, because the prophet quotes God as saying: "In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment: but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee." ( Isa 54:8 .)
We shall appreciate this liberty all the more when we bear in mind that it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who purchased it with His own blood.
Hence, Christ's liberty is given us not by the Law, or for our own righteousness, but freely for Christ's sake. In the eighth chapter of the Gospel of St. John, Jesus declares: "If the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." Joh 8:32 He only stands between us and the evils which trouble and afflict us and which He has overcome for us.
Reason cannot properly evaluate this gift. Who can fully appreciate the blessing of the forgiveness of sins and of everlasting life? Our opponents claim that they also possess this liberty. But they do not. When they are put to the test all their self- confidence slips from them. What else can they expect when they trust in works and not in the Word of God?"
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What was taught and endured by the first century Christians started going to hell before the real Apostles died. Why do you think they said the apostasy had already started before their deaths? What we have today is nothing close to what they had. By the third century, I believe Christianity was completely screwed up from its roots and most of the Christians were dead from persecution under the hands of the Romans.
People have been searching hard to find the truth and freedom while some have been searching for a reason to enslave.