Posts by Lieu

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All or Nothing: The Slippery Slope of Watchtower Morality

by Londo111 in

there is a common saying that “the crime should fit the punishment”.

a minor violation should receive a minor correction; a major violation receives a major punishment.

take the example of a kid who accidently spills soda on the carpet.

Lieu

Hmmmm....

One problem when it comes to JWs is they have been led to believe salvation (surviving the big A) comes through works; while the Bible says it comes through faith .... and you can do nothing to earn' salvation. It's a gift.

Ephesians 2:8-9 NET

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; [9] it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

"Do more, do more, do more, or else you won't make it". Well, it doesn't work like that. Stop burdening and mentally torturing people with your unscriptual duties rules and insanity.

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All or Nothing: The Slippery Slope of Watchtower Morality

by Londo111 in

there is a common saying that “the crime should fit the punishment”.

a minor violation should receive a minor correction; a major violation receives a major punishment.

take the example of a kid who accidently spills soda on the carpet.

Lieu

Can you pioneer more?

No. Unlike the GB, I pay my own way in life.

Also too, the preaching responsibility was given to the faithful slave, not me. So, those fellas better get out there and beat the pavement themselves.

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questions

by Schilderijtje in

we are two students from holland, who would like some information about jehovah witnesses.

especially about the invisible return of jesus.

on which bible scripts do you ground this?

Lieu

Actually the real answer to that goes back to Charles Taze Russell in a pamphlet he published in 1877: Object and Manner of Our Lord’s Return. Page 62 onward if you have the patience.

It can be found with a basic Google search.

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If WWI Had Not Started In 1914

by JW_Rogue in

would jws ever have arisen the way they did?

Lieu

Actually the original date was 1874. When nothing happened, recalculate to 1878 nope nothing again, then 1914 oops nope!

These dates were for the rapture, not for any enthronement.

Pretty much you had Christians calling Christ a liar when he said no one knows the date .... 'cause Russell, Barbour, Rutherford, etc all said they did.

Now what to do? Restate and say Christ was invisibly enthroned in 1914; which of course is also unscriptual.

They couldn't stop there at making stuff up. Rutherford goes on to shut the gates of heaven himself in what was it 1935?

It was like crack for them, dates, dates, and more dates. Lies, lies, and more lies. Now it's a monster that they can't take back.

The disgusting thing is that people back then still respected the Bible and those guys made one hell of a snare and racket out of it. But not just them, others also.

Anyhow, it all actually started in 1912 with the Balkan Wars. The Bosnians (using Serb supplied weapons) simply waited until an Austro-Hungarian Royal came into the Balkan to pop him; which happened in 1914.

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Mexican new GB member

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

more light for our ex jw members.... http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?27719-the-show-of-apple-jam-by-president-s-brother-the-accounting-chaste.

in patterson there is a group of brothers, all of them baptized after 1975, a group of them are candidates to all new gb membership, as soon as new places will be included or some members will passed away.

clear details and info tell us that a new gb will be a us citizen with mexican background.. really funny to see that we can give light to our ex jw family months before it comes public :).

Lieu

Not sure how a Mexican-Am would make South Americans see the WTBTS in a better light. Mexico isn't in South America, doesn't have much in common, and guy is from the US anyway. Wouldn't do anything for me.

May do something for the SW USA. Who knows.

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Oh, and Hispanic is not Latino.

Hispanics are Europeans. Ie. Spain, Portugal, etc. (Former Hispania named so by the Romans)

Latinos are peoples of the Americas who speak Spanish (also Portuguese & French) as a consequence of colonialism and conquest. Named such by Napoleon.

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"well beyond the intent of the scriptures" 7:44

by biblexaminer in

if you have the jw app running on your tablet, watch the latest (may) governing broadcast and hear tony the jackass, and when you get to 7 minutes and 44 seconds ...hit the pause button.. read the words at the bottom of the screen as per the jw app close captioning.. "well beyond the intent of the scriptures" .

he is describing the governing body past, like the ghost of christmas past.

yes, the governing body past were a bunch of freaking yahoo's violating 1 cor.

Lieu

So "by extension" everyone was going beyond the things that are written.

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Are the anointed really "lovely people"?

by purrpurr in

i've personally never met any of those who claim to be anointed but the other jw's who have are always unanimous in their praise of how lovely and what wonderful people they are.

and i don't mean the gb i mean common or garden anointed.

i was told that when they speak about being in heaven that they almost "seem to glow".. is this right?

Lieu

I knew an elderly sister. She was nice enough but she cursed like a sailor. Didn't attend many meetings either. It was attested to her age.

Close relative. 60 something. In the early stages of alzheimers. Quite judgmental and somewhat negative.

It was mentioned that they did not see themselves on a paradise earth but we're observing it otherworldly (from heaven?). That's how they knew they were annointed.

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Here's a view on homosexuality for you...

by konceptual99 in

...right from a pro-jw site in response to a post about the relative seriousness of homosexuality.

all you can do is reason from the scriptures, which you appear to have done.

homosexuality is as serious as bestiality, or adultery and fornication.

Lieu

She should have used her foot.

As for homosexuality it's never given as a higher sin. In fact lying(giving false witness), not respecting your parents, adultery, etc are all given the same weight.

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To help our brothers displaced by the Fort McMurray wildfires you can donate to ...

by hoser in

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friends

worldwide work fund.

yep they read a letter today after the sunday morning meeting.

they were also highly encouraging people to volunteer to go to the fort to clean up brothers houses.

Lieu

Volunteer to help clean the houses? Why not send the Bethelites? There's thousands of young healthy men there. In fact, they should already be there needing only skilled persons to volunteer.

A (standing) burned out house is not structurally safe to just go in and start cleaning. Also, special equipment and suits are needed because of all the general household chemicals burning together.

Then if a chemical water mixture was used to put out the fires .... dangerous mold.

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"well beyond the intent of the scriptures" 7:44

by biblexaminer in

if you have the jw app running on your tablet, watch the latest (may) governing broadcast and hear tony the jackass, and when you get to 7 minutes and 44 seconds ...hit the pause button.. read the words at the bottom of the screen as per the jw app close captioning.. "well beyond the intent of the scriptures" .

he is describing the governing body past, like the ghost of christmas past.

yes, the governing body past were a bunch of freaking yahoo's violating 1 cor.

Lieu

They went "beyond the scriptures" in just about everything. Pretty much just making things up. Including the claim of being picked to be God's reps on Earth. That's a polite way to say they were wrong and had no business telling anyone such foolish non-existent things.

Biblically speaking there's no such thing as "God's earthly organization". It's simply a way for some to to Lord over other believers in Christ; a kind of priest/laity hierarchy. Nicolatians of sorts.

Christ has a Congregation/Church but that is every Christian on earth, not just one group of them.

They need to just stick with the Bible in CONTEXT and stop jumping around scriptures and half scriptures in a state of perpetual confusion.