Posts by Joepublisher1

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Symposium: Beware of Apostates! - 'God's Word is Truth!' District Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses 2013 - not on JW.ORG

by mindnumbed in

symposium: beware of apostates!.

satanhuman apostates also of interest ..... the truth brings "not peace, but a sword" .

Joepublisher1

Like so many have commented, I too didn't need an apostate site to start questioning things. I was stumbled by the 1995 generation change, and years later when the internet took off, it caused me to investigate what happened in 1975 (before I was a JW). The stories I read were a revelation to me and they had an authentic sound to them. They didn't sound like sour-grapes - just facts, many facts that proved beyond a doubt that the rank-and-file was lead to believe that the end was going to come in the fall of 1975.

Remember folks, the rank and file didn't come up with this, it was the "WTS leaders" that originated this teaching. I'm sure there are many JWs who are reading this right now and saying to themselves, 'Boy, something is wrong... I should investigate this further.' The nail on the coffin for me was that there are so MANY issues/problems/etc. with this religion that I never realized until I started researching the WTS "outside" the walls of the WTS literature. That was very revealing to me as well because the WTS paints this white-washed picture of themselves and their history. And, for any outright mistakes (like 1975), they simply "spin it" (like politicians), "Oh, at least we were awake spiritually speaking".

Just to repeat what caused me to turn away from JWs, I was stumbled by the Governing Body when they changed "the 1914 generation teaching" in 1995 - something the Liveforever book called "a certainty"! (Apparently, nothing is a certainty in this religion, not even the defintion of the Faithful and Discreet Slave.) Honestly, I'm not sure I understand how some of the old-timers aren't crippled with disappointment - I believe some can't face the truth of what all these changes indicate - The WTS is not who they say they are. That realization can be devastating to someone who has embraced this religion as "the Truth" for all - or most of - their lives!

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An Open Letter to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

by gcs7000 in

jw
friends

an open letter to the governing body of jehovah's witnesses:.

gentlemen:.

all major world religions are accredited to the united nations as non-governmental organizations.

Joepublisher1

Until the arrival of the internet, we never realized how much the WTS cherry-picks what it quotes in its magazines! And the concluding point of the original post is SO TRUE. The credibility of the WTS is in the toilet. They have none! And without credibility, many of its members have left, with even more stepping out the back door!

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

jw
friends

however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

Joepublisher1

Isn't it a shame how many JWs have put so much of their lives on hold, because of the "paradise/everlasting life" carrot that the WTS has held in front of them for decades! As a matter of fact, they made you feel GUILTY if you pursued anything outside of Kingdom preaching, congregation attendance, etc. And, as this "1975" thread shows, they stopped at nothing to hype their end-time predictions! This organization steals your soul, your time, your resources, your aspirations, your family, etc. and all for what? A fairy-tale and a free meal ticket for the Governing Body!

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

jw
friends

however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

Joepublisher1

Quendi said, “The first seeds of doubt were sown in me by the November 1, 1995 issue of The Watchtower with its twisted explanation of what a “generation” meant. I knew then something was seriously wrong with Witness theology, but it would take another twelve years before I finally realized that I needed to leave the cult forever.”

My experience is very similar to yours Quendi regarding that Nov 1 st , 1995 issue that trashed the VERY long held and deeply embraced belief and teaching that the generation of 1914 would NOT die off the earthly scene before the end comes – it was such a core doctrine that in the Live Forever book this teaching/belief was called “a certainty”. We were constantly being reminded how old that “1914 generation” was getting and that the anointed numbers were going down – one of the lines of so-called evidence that the end is near! (Of course, the latter teaching was eventually trashed, too!)

It struck me that so many of my fellow JWs didn’t mention anything about this change – whereas common sense would have told you that it should have raised questions in their mind about the credibility of the WTS leaders. However, after seeing so many post similar comments on the internet, apparently many others were like me in that that change (to the 1914 generation teaching) opened up a seed of doubt! And, it took many of us years before we finally realized that this organization is NOT who they say they are (i.e. God’s earthly organization, the truth, etc.). Indoctrination runs deep, does it not?

Further research into the WTS and its history (over the internet) caused many of us to come to the conclusion, why support an organization that is nothing more than a hoax!

Like I’ve said before, after that change to the 1914 generation I realized that most of the teachings of this religion are subject to being “tweaked”, “changed” or outright “trashed” and some teachings even have flip-flops in explanations throughout the years! Once you realize these things, you can’t have “faith” in what they currently teach as “the Truth” and the “New Light” doctrine can only be accepted as a concocted teaching to explain away the many ERRORS, FALSE PREDICTIONS, and ON-GOING CHANGES in this religion. One of the other straws that broke the camel’s back was realizing that there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY from the WTS leaders! Think about that statement.

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

jw
friends

however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

Joepublisher1

I don't know about anyone else, but I sure have appreciated the members on this forum who have commented about their personal experiences while a JW (or associate if you were too young to be baptized) during the 1975 frenzy/fiasco. It helps all of us to see a couple of things. First of all, these WTS leaders (all of who are dead now!) were NEVER held accountable for their terribly misleading claims that lead people to make many foolish decisions in life (esp. around their finances). It also helps everyone to see that this religion - particulary it's leaders - is a farce... a hoax... a scam!

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

jw
friends

however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

Joepublisher1

I also need to remind everyone (including current JWs) what the book “Captives of a Concept” stresses. It’s important to look at the history – a history lesson if you will – of the WTS. Why? Well, the WTS presents a concise white-washed history of their religious movement. However, a detailed review of their history reveals many disturbing realities and facts. Although the WTS has convinced its members that the “old light” is not where you should concentrate your study efforts, common-sense tells you that you need to look at the history of any organization in order to formulate an accurate assessment of that organization. As so many of you on this forum have acknowledged, it’s not uncommon for ex-JWs to know more about the history of JWs, then hen they were practicing members! (Hint: That’s why previous members are now ex-JWs. Of course, what actually happened in 1975 in WTS history is essential for all JWs to learn about!)

This is an interesting topic for the reasons the initial poster stated, ‘most people who became a JW after 1985 have no clue about the 1975 frenzy/fiasco’. They look at this through the WTS brain conditioning prism – ‘at least we were awake to the end, although we had wrong expectations’ and that this happened so long ago! In other words, the WTS plays it down BIG TIME and then attack any who would accuse them of being false prophets. I say, let the “facts” speak for themselves and then decide for yourself, as opposed to letting emotional attachments to the WTS society effect your thinking faculties. An honest and reasonable person can only reach one conclusion about the WTS – they are NOT who they say they are! They are frauds and the religion is a hoax designed to suck your entire life [and all of its resources] right out of you! Goodness JWs, you need to wake up.

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

jw
friends

however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

Joepublisher1

In 1973/1974 timeframe, there was this young guy at work who became a JW. And, boy, this guy couldn’t contain his preaching of 1975 as the end! It’s what he was being taught and he felt compelled to share this with everyone! To one of his work-mate skeptics, this JW decided to bet him that 1975 would bring the end, only to withdraw his bet when he learned that JWs aren’t allowed to “bet”. The bottom line is that MOST JWs believed what the WTS was saying about 1975 – that the end would come in 1975!

Although I didn’t get involved during that time frame, I thought that this religion was the closest thing to teaching the truths in the Bible. When I got involved in the early 80s, I figured that the WTS now got things right. That is, the generation of 1914 wouldn’t pass off the earth before the end comes – although no one knows the day or hour. I believed that because the Awake masthead said it was the “Creator’s promise”! I was also told that the 1975 fiasco was the fault of the rank-and-file and that the WTS NEVER said the end would come in 1975. (I now know that that is far from the actual truth!)

Well, when the 1914 generation teaching was changed in 1995, I started to realize that the WTS is not who they say they are (“God’s earthly organization”, “the Truth”, etc.) I also started to realize that although the WTS claims to have “the Truth”, that none of their teachings are off limits to “changes” – what the WTS deviously calls “New Light”.

Long story short, I realized that the leaders of this man-made organization are not accountable to anyone and for anything that they teach [and thus the long-reaching negative effects of some of their teachings]! That was a RED flag to me and woke me up to the facts. This religion is a hoax that masquerades under the guise that it follows the Bible and is the only religion that God is using. It’s not the only religion that does this btw. Nonetheless, once you realize the fraudulent nature of it, it’s impossible to continue to support it! (Having access to the internet, there’s very little reason why every JW shouldn’t be having a crisis of conscience!)

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I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

by booker-t in

i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

Joepublisher1

I came across this article on sociopaths:

"How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job"

I was particularly struck by these two red flags:

#9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack. #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truthmerely because they say it!

http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html

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I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

by booker-t in

i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

Joepublisher1

Sd-7 said, “The other thing is, why even do this? Their authority has been absolute for a long time. Nobody's made a Reformed JW org, dissenters and deserters are hunted down and shot. Is there some invisible power struggle between the other 12,000 anointed and the Governing Body so that they felt a need to make themselves exclusively the 'slave'? It makes no sense.”

I think Sd-7's question is very valid, “… why even do this?” Sd-7 presents some ideas in response, which are very interesting. I also wonder if it’s because too many JWs just found the previous explanation too confusing. That is, “You have the 144,000 remnant of the anointed on earth and none of them – except the Governing Body – dispenses food at the proper time. Remember too that the Governing Body described the anointed remnant (in a fairly recent Watchtower) as not knowing any more than the great crowd – say what?!?!

So, this could be an attempt to quash the previous explanation of who the faithful and discreet slave class is and all the questions (and confusion) that come up as a consequence. What’s interesting is that the newer explanation causes just as many questions (and confusion) as exemplified by this thread! They just can’t win. What does this tell you about the people running the show at the WTS?

What a bunch of kooks! (Noun: A crazy of eccentric person)

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I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

by booker-t in

i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

Joepublisher1

I agree totally with 00DAD.

Splash, you did a great analysis - I hope you can stay on top of this and keep these questions in front of everyone, including JWs!