Lionel_P_Hartley

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  To JWs - Creative Day Request

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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  the society used to state regularly that a creative day (cd) is exactly 7000 years long.

  actually, that teaching has never been revoked although recent literature - since about 1988 - always says that a cd is "thousands of years" long.. two questions:.

  (i) is any jw here willing to find out if the wts still believes that a cd is exactly 7000 years long or not?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  YoYoMama,

  The Society has not retracted it's 7000 teaching explicitly so my question is a legitimate one and you avoided it. I didn't ask how long a CD is, I asked whether the Society still teaches that it is 7000 years long. Your quotes are not inconsistent with it being 7000 years long.

  Also, the length of a CD was not trivial when it was used as the basis for 1975. Many JWs, due to what you call dogmaticism as to the length of a CD - and by the Society - sacrificed careers and much more based on that teaching.

  Let's put it this way, in 1970 if you had undogmatically proclaimed that a CD was an unknown number of thousands of years long, how would you have been treated? As an apostate? As one of little faith who was trying to play with Jesus' words about the last days. You surely would've! You see, you have demonstrated that a JW treats whatever is in the WT magazine as though it were inspired. You dare not disagree, even in minor matters.

  LPH
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  To JWs - Creative Day Request

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the society used to state regularly that a creative day (cd) is exactly 7000 years long.

  actually, that teaching has never been revoked although recent literature - since about 1988 - always says that a cd is "thousands of years" long.. two questions:.

  (i) is any jw here willing to find out if the wts still believes that a cd is exactly 7000 years long or not?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  YoYO,

  Thanks for the references but you avoided my question. The question remains;

  Does the WTS still teach that a CD is exactly 7000 years long? Yes or no?

  How is it dogmatic to say what the WTS still officially claims in print - that a CD is exactly 7000 years long?

  Alan: perfect quotation. I;m sure even George Orwell would be shocked at the levels to which JWs have taken his words.

  LPH
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  Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

  by YoYoMama in

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  the question.

  is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

  inspired by god as the bible was?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  James, man, you're on a roll. Terrific post!

  Loved the "weak illustration" point. Imagine if the r&f got to vote the channel in and out!

  LPH
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  To JWs - Creative Day Request

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the society used to state regularly that a creative day (cd) is exactly 7000 years long.

  actually, that teaching has never been revoked although recent literature - since about 1988 - always says that a cd is "thousands of years" long.. two questions:.

  (i) is any jw here willing to find out if the wts still believes that a cd is exactly 7000 years long or not?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  The Society used to state regularly that a creative day (CD) is exactly 7000 years long. Actually, that teaching has never been revoked although recent literature - since about 1988 - always says that a CD is "thousands of years" long.

  Two questions:

  (i) Is any JW here willing to find out if the WTS still believes that a CD is exactly 7000 years long or not? Will you report your findings back? Here I'm thinking in terms of a letter to the WTS asking them to be specific.

  (ii) What would happen if a JW in good standing all of a sudden were to start stating, whenever it came up, say in a talk from the platform, or in an answer, or in conversaition that "a CD is 7000 years long." Would you get into trouble for saying something that the Society still officially teaches but which, for whatever reasons, it no longer mentions?

  Thoughts?

  LPH
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  Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

  by YoYoMama in

  1. jw
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  the question.

  is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

  inspired by god as the bible was?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  YoYoMama,

  Here's an experiment - everytime you can at meetings etc, mention that a Creative Day is 7000 years long. Don't say "thousands" say 7000. That is still current truth by the way.

  Also, would you be so kind and willing as to find out if the WTS still teaches that a CD is exactly 7000 years long? Then report back to us.

  This is a serious request - I'm very curious about this issue.

  Thanks,

  LPH
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  Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

  by YoYoMama in

  1. jw
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  the question.

  is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

  inspired by god as the bible was?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  Alan,

  : What is so hard for you to understand here?

  The claim that the GB is not inspired, and does not claim to be, is made so fervently in order to defend the sacred notion that the GB alone speaks for God. For if it were inspired then obvviously it couldn't speak for God. Since it does speak for God ergo it cannot be inspired. Nor can it claim to be inspired. That's whence it derives its authority to act like it's inspired from.

  A mind that can grasp that should be able to grasp anything :-)

  LPH
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  You Know it's God's Channel

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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  you know is trying to defend the wts against the charge of being false prophets.

  he is relying on something of a technicality.

  let's look at the facts:.

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  Robert,

  Is that the same chained up dog that you so loved to torment as a nasty little boy?

  Maybe mama told you not to do it, but papa egged you on?

  LPH
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  You Know a Spiritual Coward

  by AlanF in

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  here is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.

  who, then, is the editor?

  who became the editor?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  ThiChi,

  You'll note that YK is accused of being a spiritual coward. He may not be a coward in the sense that he is too scared to present his opinions, although he is too scared to enter into a real debate in which points are established or refuted based on facts instead of hype and doubletalk. But that's par for the course in such debates.

  However, he is a spiritual coward because he is too yellow to confront the reality that his mama is a lying whore and his papa don't care. Here I'm talking purely spiritually. I feel sorry for his real parents.

  LPH
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  Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

  by YoYoMama in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the question.

  is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

  inspired by god as the bible was?

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  YoYo,

  So how do you know that the GB ** alone ** represents Jehovah? Go on, tell us? Prove it from the Bible.

  Also, how do you know that other religions don't speak for God.

  LPH
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  You Know it's God's Channel

  by Lionel_P_Hartley in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you know is trying to defend the wts against the charge of being false prophets.

  he is relying on something of a technicality.

  let's look at the facts:.

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  That they are God's channel. Are you really that dense?