Fred,
Have you any idea how much, say, $100.00 a month placed in a 401(k) every month since 1970 would be worth today - even after the past two years? Figure it our and then ask yourself, should I trust in the GB or start one immediately?
LPH
Lionel_P_Hartley
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To Jayhawk - Proclaimers Book Quotes
by YoYoMama inc. t. russell had been critical of those who had set various dates for the lords return, such as william miller and some second adventist groups.
*** jv 61-3 6 a time of testing (1914-1918) ***.
the years from 1914 to 1918 did, indeed, prove to be a testing season for the bible students.
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The Other Side of the Blood Coin
by Lionel_P_Hartley inby what authority, and on what scriptural basis, does the gb disregard the apostolic decree - to abstain from blood?
why do they support the blood industry whose factories take countless gallons of blood - in clear violation of the command that blood must be poured out - and extract vast numbers of extracts for medical usage.
where in scripture is the gb given the authority to violate god's law to noah and the apostolic decree?.
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Gozz,
Exactly. I was trying to illustrate that the current WTS policy on blood is nonsensical according to JW theology itself. The only two possibilities that would make sense are either (i) a total prohibition on all blood components or (ii) the recognition that the Apostolic Decree and the Law to Noah don't apply to medical usage at all. Obviously the Mosaic Law doesn't apply to Christians at all. By "make sense" I mean as in "self-consistent."
As it is the WTS allows JWs to "eat some blood but not other blood" which according to JW theology amounts to violating their own interpretation of the blood laws. An interesting discussion can be found at http://www.jwbloodreview.org
Thanks,
LPH
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Evidence that the WTS Claims to be Inspired
by Lionel_P_Hartley inmuch evidence has been provided to demonstrate that the wts is a false prophet even though jws will say anything to deny this unpleasant fact.
generally they act and teach explicitly that the gb speaks for god - that it is is god's sole channel of communication - but also claim that the gb is not inspired.
that is a distinction without a difference.. this has caused you know to be on the lookout for jw teachings "channeled" to him by the slave but which are without a bible basis.
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siegswife,
Don't you know that the GB is God's sole channel of communication between mand and God? So don't bring yr apostate theories here! What, how do we know that? Well, it's in the Bible - lemme show you the scripture but first answer me this "How many grains of sand are on the seashore?" I want an accurate answer.
LPH, a fighter for
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The Other Side of the Blood Coin
by Lionel_P_Hartley inby what authority, and on what scriptural basis, does the gb disregard the apostolic decree - to abstain from blood?
why do they support the blood industry whose factories take countless gallons of blood - in clear violation of the command that blood must be poured out - and extract vast numbers of extracts for medical usage.
where in scripture is the gb given the authority to violate god's law to noah and the apostolic decree?.
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By what authority, and on what scriptural basis, does the GB disregard the Apostolic Decree - to abstain from blood? Why do they support the blood industry whose factories take countless gallons of blood - in clear violation of the command that blood must be poured out - and extract vast numbers of extracts for medical usage. Where in scripture is the GB given the authority to violate God's law to Noah and the Apostolic Decree?
Unlike the supposed "Governing Body" in Jerusalem, made up of individuals who had experienced direct, tangible manifestations of Holy Spirit, and which, once it made a decision, stuck to it, the present Governing Body seems to be carried hither and thither by every wave of human thought.
The apostles acted, the GB reacts.
LPH
LPH
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Evidence that the WTS Claims to be Inspired
by Lionel_P_Hartley inmuch evidence has been provided to demonstrate that the wts is a false prophet even though jws will say anything to deny this unpleasant fact.
generally they act and teach explicitly that the gb speaks for god - that it is is god's sole channel of communication - but also claim that the gb is not inspired.
that is a distinction without a difference.. this has caused you know to be on the lookout for jw teachings "channeled" to him by the slave but which are without a bible basis.
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Q What single doctrine are JWs most well known for "in the world?"
A The Blood Doctrine
Q What happens when you ask a JW to explain that doctrine, i.e., make a defense for the truth that is in his or her heart?
A Obfuscation, mumbling and accusations that the questioner is a God hating apostate. Oh yes, and the claim that "we speak for God."
How ironic that those who would speak for God have nada to say.
YoYoMama, I answered yr question now answer mine (see above).
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Evidence that the WTS Claims to be Inspired
by Lionel_P_Hartley inmuch evidence has been provided to demonstrate that the wts is a false prophet even though jws will say anything to deny this unpleasant fact.
generally they act and teach explicitly that the gb speaks for god - that it is is god's sole channel of communication - but also claim that the gb is not inspired.
that is a distinction without a difference.. this has caused you know to be on the lookout for jw teachings "channeled" to him by the slave but which are without a bible basis.
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Evidence that the WTS Claims to be Inspired
by Lionel_P_Hartley inmuch evidence has been provided to demonstrate that the wts is a false prophet even though jws will say anything to deny this unpleasant fact.
generally they act and teach explicitly that the gb speaks for god - that it is is god's sole channel of communication - but also claim that the gb is not inspired.
that is a distinction without a difference.. this has caused you know to be on the lookout for jw teachings "channeled" to him by the slave but which are without a bible basis.
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YoYoMama,
That's easy: In Acts 10: it is recorded that Holy Spirit was poured out on Cornelius and others which had tangible results - speaking in tongues etc. This direct manifestation of spirit indicated that Gentiles were now acceptable. Thus, the circumcision issue and the Law was settled directly by God at that point. Later disputes arose and Paul was directed by revelation to proceed to Jerusalem where these facts were considered and a decision made. Without Jehovah physically signalling that Gentiles were acceptable then the decision would not have been possible. Interestingly, the circumcision issue was then decided once and for all.
So, now, explain, please, how, in these times of enhanced enlightenment, the GB has decided which blood fractions are acceptable - that is which blood parts can be eaten and which cannot. Please be sure to explain why the acceptable vs. unacceptable blood fractions have changed dramatically over the past 40 years, to the point that now no part of blood is unacceptable - it is only the way that it is packaged that is banned ; whole cells bad, smashed up cells good.
LPH
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Evidence that the WTS Claims to be Inspired
by Lionel_P_Hartley inmuch evidence has been provided to demonstrate that the wts is a false prophet even though jws will say anything to deny this unpleasant fact.
generally they act and teach explicitly that the gb speaks for god - that it is is god's sole channel of communication - but also claim that the gb is not inspired.
that is a distinction without a difference.. this has caused you know to be on the lookout for jw teachings "channeled" to him by the slave but which are without a bible basis.
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Lionel_P_Hartley
Much evidence has been provided to demonstrate that the WTS is a false prophet even though JWs will say anything to deny this unpleasant fact. Generally they act and teach explicitly that the GB speaks for God - that it is is God's sole channel of communication - but also claim that the GB is not inspired. That is a distinction without a difference.
This has caused You Know to be on the lookout for JW teachings "channeled" to him by the Slave but which are without a Bible basis. There are a number of them but he refuses to see them when they are supplied. YoYoMama calls everything trivial - in retrospect - but even the smallest current JW teaching is a big deal for JWs, that is, until it is deemed trivial at some future date. Normie67 claimed that the 7000 year long Creative Day was referred to only once in the WTS's literature. Etc Etc.
It is hard, it seems, to find an honest man or woman among the lot of 'em.
So here's another chance for the JWs to demonstrate how honest they are.
Here goes :-
From where does the GB get the authority to tell JWs which blood parts they can accept and which they cannot? How do they know so surely, e.g., that intact red cells are off-limits but hemoglobin extracts - essentially red cells without the cell walls - are ok.
So, can any JW explain how the GB is able to decide these life and death matters if (a) such things cannot be found in scripture and (b) the GB is only inspired in the sense that the Bible was inspired and so they base their beliefs only on the Bible?
LPH
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To Jayhawk - Proclaimers Book Quotes
by YoYoMama inc. t. russell had been critical of those who had set various dates for the lords return, such as william miller and some second adventist groups.
*** jv 61-3 6 a time of testing (1914-1918) ***.
the years from 1914 to 1918 did, indeed, prove to be a testing season for the bible students.
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YoYoMama,
Where have I spoken against Jehovah?
That is another lie - certainly a false accusation. As I recall, one must not even speak to one who calls himself a brother who lies and makes false accusations and refuses to repent. So, in answer to your question about former brothers and sisters - I'm fine with it in your case since that's the JW way.
But let me ask you this - how does it feel to tell new ones that they must die rather than accept certain blood components when you cannot prove from the scriptures why some blood components must be refused and others not. What does that make you?
LPH
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To Jayhawk - Proclaimers Book Quotes
by YoYoMama inc. t. russell had been critical of those who had set various dates for the lords return, such as william miller and some second adventist groups.
*** jv 61-3 6 a time of testing (1914-1918) ***.
the years from 1914 to 1918 did, indeed, prove to be a testing season for the bible students.
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YoYoMama,
When you claim to speak exclusively for God, and issue dogmatic statements over a long period that causes people to make life altering, and life-ending decisions, then you don't apologize. You are a false prophet and a wickedly false teacher who deserves to be punished severely. The GB's apology sounds like a child apologizing because he forgot to clean his bedroom up. Plus, the GB has gone right back to being dogmatic and deceptive - and just as wrong as they ever were. That which is crooked cannot be made straight.
Right now JWs are dying because they don't understand the WTS's blood policy. Other died for things that are now OK. Children are being abused by elders and the WTS protects the elders. This generation is trashed. People have felony records or are in jail because of a policy on alternative service that was overturned. The list goes on. People who are aware of the evil acts of this self-aggrandizing "religion" and still defend it, as you do, are immoral disgusting liars. Why do you bother - it makes you look stupid and convinces nobody. Especially because you are unable to deal with substantive arguments. You still haven't, as far as I can tell, explained why the WTS hasn't admitted that it has changed its mind on a doctrine that used to ve central and very importnat - for it was used to whip people up into an apocalyptic frenzy of expectation - that a creative day is 7000 years long.
How does it feel to know that you are a liar?
Just my two cents,
LPH