Just for comparison's sake, how do the modern Bible Students view Jehovah's Witnesses today? See by yourself at http://www.food4jws.org/. It's rather interesting...
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Food For Thinking JW's
by Liquidizer injust for comparison's sake, how do the modern bible students view jehovah's witnesses today?
see by yourself at http://www.food4jws.org/.
it's rather interesting.... l.
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WTBTS Pictures of Paradise
by Skimmer inas has been discussed elsewhere in this forum, the wtbts has published many images depicting life after armageddon and the elements and presentation are fairly similar from picture to picture.
the text referencing a paradise picture almost always at one point refers to the restoration of the conditions of the garden of eden prior to the fall.. but what about the things which are never included in the drawings?.
1. never any couples from different ethnic backgrounds.. 2. never any persons whose clothes obviously do not match their ethnicity.. 3. never any printed material like books, magazines, or newspapers.
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Cygnus, one or a couple of exeptions won't change the average rule in this case.
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Jehovahs witnesses, in the divine purpose?
by sleepy innotice my watchtower style title?.
i've just been rereading the book " jehovahs witnesses in the divine purpose " from 1959.. its an ealier book recounting the history of the organisation.. i don't belive many jw's will have seen or read it, besides they have a new "history" book to read .. being more familiar with the history of the witnesses has made me realise how biased and misleading this book truely is.. here are some quotes from chapter 14 "reorganizing for active service service".. those who know about jw history will notice the slants and misleading statments straight away , but i'll try to explian some of them for anyone new.. in preparing the reader for explaining the changes rutherford made to the religion after russell's death it tells us;.
"when the society began to be freed for further preaching work following ww1 they realized they had been held in spiritual bondage too in many ways.
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Serenaj92, the Bible Students are still here among us even today. In other words those who left or were kicked out by Rutherford mostly during the years 1918-1930, reorganized themselves. One group of them established The Pastoral Bible Institute and they are still publishing The Herald magazine. If someone wants to know more about the modern Bible Students go to the next web page: http://www.heraldmag.org/literature/links.htm. The Herald mag can be seen at: http://www.heraldmag.org.
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Yahoo Single Witness will be DF'd (HaHaHa)
by BoozeRunner incheck out this response to a topic over at yahoo single witnesses.
the poster known as greatgrooves2002 is surely toast after this one...lol!!!.
it seems that texasangelchild asked some pretty tough questions, as she recently began studying after the death of her twin sister.
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Did you notice the next sentence in greatgrooves2002's answer?
...they replied, "Where we to go my Lord, you(meaning Jesus) have the sayings of everlasting life."...
The disciples actually said according to the Bible like this:
John 6:68, World English Bible: ''Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.''
American Standard Version: ''Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.''
and King James Version: ''Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.''
Greatgrooves' answer shows how far the indoctrination can go without the very person noticing it. His/her answer sounded honest but she/he should have looked the Bible first...
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WTSurvivors website is available again
by Esmeralda inhi gang,.
because of the requests of my friends, i have decided to make the text of most of the previous essays on my website accessable again.. the format of the site is now very simple, text only for the most part.. thanks to everyone who encouraged me in my decision to take it apart.
i've realized now that taking it down can't automatically erase my past, its something that i have to learn to exist with.. i'm still moving forward.. thanks to those who believe that my words merit reading.
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What a great piece of news, Essie! To my mind you can continue you life on even though your site is on. Why you thought you have to take your pages off-line to be able to do that? Leave your pages available as a testimony of your experiences even if you don't update them any more. Guess how many people your pages will help still in the future.
What did you like about my pages?
BTW, you look angry on your thump nail picture... ;-)
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WBTS and NGO - why are they not on the list
by Jim Dee inhttp://www.un.org/esa/coordination/ngo/.
above is the list of ngo's registered with the un as per the un website.. the society are not on the list, are they or arn't they ngo?
if they are then why are they not on the list.. answers on a postcard please!!.
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Go to the following UN page at http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/ngodir.htm and look behind the link ''NGOs listed alphabetically'' and scroll to W... there it is.
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This is the noise that keeps me awake
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And my body aches-Garbage
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How Easy Was It To Leave?
by ballistic inwhen i was df, i actually wanted to return which isn't suprising when you look at their brain washing: * http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/mind.html.
i think it took me a couple of years to fully get over it and now the scripture "like a dog returning to it's vomit" comes to mind.. i gather some people here came to their senses while still in the org.
did anyone actually find it easy to leave?.
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I DA'd myself. It's a year now from the day the final process of my leaving becan. In January this year I sent my DA letter and was out of the JW's after seven years of involvement. In my case it was relatively easy to leave, just as MrMoe hinted, because none of my parents or relatives is a JW nor has ever been. On top of that I'm single and I didn't manage to bring anybody in the so called truth and I also had many stable friendships outside the Borg. I'm already on my feets and am helping others to survive after the JWism. It seems that my conversion to JW religion was a very superficial one after all and that's why I didn't take very long to shrug it off. Thank God.
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About Furuli's and Stafford's books
by Liquidizer ini have classified the books by furuli and stafford to the same pile as a. h. mcmillan's book faith on the march.
it's just one way in their trying to have an influence on those people who can't be reached by the ordinary forms of witnessing or to whom the wt literature don't appeal to.
it's sad the wts has to use these kinds of pseudo-scholarly writers or pseudo-objective methods in their trying to advance their interests.
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Thanks Alan. You seem to understand my point. The both men behind their books may be well educated, as Mr. Furuli is, and they can be considered as scholars in their research fields. I dont deny that. But why on earth they must hide the fact from their audiences that they also are JW's? It's beyond my comprehension. It would be honest from their part to openly confess that they are JW's. Their view cant be taken scientifically objective what it comes to JWism. Why they must try to give an false impression to their readers that they are outside researchers interested in the JW's? Well, that's the reason I classify them ''pseudo-scholars'' what it comes to a religion called Jehovah's Witnesses.
In the case of Jonsson I dont believe he's right in everything as I dont believe that the JW's are wrong in everything. There's too much dogmatism on the both sides.
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About Furuli's and Stafford's books
by Liquidizer ini have classified the books by furuli and stafford to the same pile as a. h. mcmillan's book faith on the march.
it's just one way in their trying to have an influence on those people who can't be reached by the ordinary forms of witnessing or to whom the wt literature don't appeal to.
it's sad the wts has to use these kinds of pseudo-scholarly writers or pseudo-objective methods in their trying to advance their interests.
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I have classified the books by Furuli and Stafford to the same pile as A. H. McMillan's book Faith on the March. It's just one way in their trying to have an influence on those people who can't be reached by the ordinary forms of witnessing or to whom the WT literature don't appeal to. It's sad the WTS has to use these kinds of pseudo-scholarly writers or pseudo-objective methods in their trying to advance their interests. Especially that book of Furuli shows that C.-O. Jonsson's has caused the WTS a lot of trouble.
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Where Do I Go Now?
by individual inwith all the problems in the 'truth' and all the things that we know are wrong with it there seems to be aspects of their theology (i.e the sequences of the world powers, statue in daniel, the promise of world restoration again found in daniel) that to me still make sense.
although i cannot follow a religion that believes in the destruction of all humanity barring those that respond to their own preaching work i still believe in a creator and cannot accept the teachings of other religions that have no purpose for the earth and believe that mankinds only destiny is in heaven.
my mind keeps telling me that if god was behind a religion it would be so much better than that of the jws.
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Where should we go after having left the JW's? Nowhere is my answer. If we have come to God through Jesus and are already in his flock SPRITUALLY speaking, we are where we should, to my mind. To me it is not important in which religious group or church we belong to but what we truly are as persons. I think there is no only chosen religion or group of people. In fact God doesnt need any manmade institutions nor organisations or whatever because He has his word the Bible and the holy spirit. With the help of these He can prompt anyone to do his will. Besides, Jesus spoke about his congregation as a SPIRITUAL one without the limitations of the organised religion. The most important goal of a christian is to become a discreet and faithful slave to our Lord. Of course who is to be found a DFS can only be known after the death of that kind of person. I think that it is ultimately Jesus' job to decide who is a DFS and who is not. This doesnt have to mean that everybody must go to heaven. This planet will be populated by those people who didnt for some reason accept or were not given the heavenly call. But who these people exactly are is something that only God can decide. It is still possible that God gives to some of us preknowledge of our destination, but if He hasnt He may do it in a later time. Meanwhile we must try to live according to the Bible the best way we can and build our relationship with God through Jesus by using the Bible and by asking the guidance of the holy spirit. Just try to rely on God, not manmade religious systems or organisations or churches even though you can attend to any of then for a spiritual companionship or support or whatever reason there might be. Do not despair. Rely on God. He will show you your way.
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