Posts by lisaBObeesa

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First Day of School

by Valis in

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i couldn't let wt do all the braggin about the chillerins so here's ms.frances of the "center point kindergarden" class...this is a digital photo of a regular photo so please excuse the quality.... .

sincerely,.

district overbeer.

lisaBObeesa

my boy had his first day too....can I post here??

notice the spelling on the door...hummmm

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Edited by - LisaBOBeesa on 15 September 2002 15:23:55

14

Just a small part of me

by nilfun in

this is a small part of me.. it is a strange thing how sometimes only one.

child in a family will be mistreated, while the rest are spared.. it makes it difficult if not impossible to talk about things that happened.

to me without some of my family members expressing disbelief.

lisaBObeesa

I began to understand that in order for me to live, I had to stop going to the KH.

WOW. You just typed what I thought and did in 1987. I remember telling my mother that most of me would DIE if I kept going to the KH. All that would be left would be a shell. A pretend Lisa. The real Lisa would be gone. I didn't want to die. I wanted to LIVE. So I left.

When I left KH, I knew nothing about the world.
It always felt like I was an alien visitor from Mars,
observing the curious customs of earthlings. In some ways I still feel this way.

WOW. This is exactly how I feel and have felt all my life.

I got married. My (now-ex) husband abused me very badly.
I endured his abuse for a little over a year before I was able to summon the courage to leave

.

WOW! You must be very proud of yourself!! Many women stay in these relationships for years and years and years or never get out! It is no small thing to leave that sort of relationship. It takes real guts and an ability to see past the fog of confusion and guilt the abuser tries to keep you in. You must be a really strong and smart person. J But you know that right?

I have tried to just forget the bad things from childhood, the bad things from my first marriage.
Its not working.

(((((((((((((nilfun))))))))))))))))))) Glad to meet you.

-LisaBObeesa

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JW`s and Cottages

by Beans in

so how many of you have or had cottages as dubs?

now do any of you recall any families having them in your hall?.

now if so did these families retreat to these locations during the summer months?.

lisaBObeesa

That's right, you're not from Texas
Texas wants you anyhow

I LOVE Lyle Lovett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that song is great!

-LisaBObeesa

40

FATHER PIC 2

by honestly in

to notso perfect......what do i have against her?i have known her since childbirth,and once upon a time she was a normal sweet person who loved her parents,then she changed.it started when she met scott i would say.thats when her troubles began after she got married.she started exploiting herself sexually and started makin up the wildest stories about her husband and herself and thats when i realized that she wasnt the same person and i realized what kind of morals she had and she started sayingthings about scott that was when i realized she isnt right.as the yrs went by she just got worse.and now i dont even know her,she has stretched her testomony and much of it is downright lies.i have actual letters from vicky from yrs back that contradict what she is claiming now.. why do i have against her???

?she has torn her family apart even cousins and aunts and uncles who can see right thru her.see you guy dont know both sides and you never will because vicky knows shes does enough damage and will come to her senses and her brainwashing by frank mottrill is coming out.you see he is usinh vicky as a pawn to get back at the wts for his own wrongdoing.anyway it will soon be over........i personally will never look or talk to her again,she has been disowned my her realtives,most are not even witnesses so what does that tell you.. for the record many of you may not know this but the lawyer for the wts.

is not even a witness!

lisaBObeesa

TO NOTSO PERFECT......WHAT DO I HAVE AGAINST HER?I HAVE KNOWN HER SINCE CHILDBIRTH,AND ONCE UPON A TIME SHE WAS A NORMAL SWEET PERSON WHO LOVED HER PARENTS,THEN SHE CHANGED.

I hear that sometimes happens to victims of child abuse. They change.

AND THATS WHEN I REALIZED THAT SHE WASNT THE SAME PERSON AND I REALIZED WHAT KIND OF MORALS SHE HAD AND SHE STARTED SAYINGTHINGS ABOUT SCOTT THAT WAS WHEN I REALIZED SHE ISNT RIGHT.

So you realized she isnt right. Did you realize this after you knew that she had been abused, or before? And did you at this point decide she was somehow broken or hurt or needed help and understanding, or did you decide she was evil and bad and need to be avoided?

And what do you think of the morals of her father? Was he who you thought he was?

AS THE YRS WENT BY SHE JUST GOT WORSE.

You must have been filled with sadness for her and have been moved to reach out in Christian love.

AND NOW I DONT EVEN KNOW HER

You KNOW she is lying now, but you dont even know her now??? How can that be?? You don't KNOW anything.

,SHE HAS STRETCHED HER TESTOMONY AND MUCH OF IT IS DOWNRIGHT LIES.I HAVE ACTUAL LETTERS FROM VICKY FROM YRS BACK THAT CONTRADICT WHAT SHE IS CLAIMING NOW.

If this is true, why do you assume that she is lying now? Maybe she was lying then, to protect herself or her abuser or the family or the congregation? There is no way for you to know.

WHY DO I HAVE AGAINST HER????SHE HAS TORN HER FAMILY APART

Her father, the abuser, tore the family apart. The moment he violated his child, he tore HER apart. He tore the family apart, not her. He is responsible for what has happened.

And think about what are you saying! Why dont you have something against the father??

Why arent you angry at the guy who sexually abused his daughter??

But it is typical that family and friends often do not believe the victim and try to protect the abuser because it is too painful to face the truth.

The fact that her family has turned against her does not prove she is not telling truth. It is irrelevant. It proves nothing.

EVEN COUSINS AND AUNTS AND UNCLES WHO CAN SEE RIGHT THRU HER.

Again, it is typical that family and friends to not believe the victim and try to protect the abuser because it is too painful to face the truth. The fact that THEY dont believe her is irrelevant. It proves nothing. T he fact that YOU dont believe her is irrelevant.

SEE YOU GUY DONT KNOW BOTH SIDES AND YOU NEVER WILL

How on earth can YOU know both sides unless you are the abuser or the abused o r at least one of the elders who were involved in the case? It is impossible for you to know both sides. Or even one side for sure. You are guessing and making stuff up and saying it is truth.

BECAUSE VICKY KNOWS SHES DOES ENOUGH DAMAGE AND WILL COME TO HER SENSES AND HER BRAINWASHING BY FRANK MOTTRILL IS COMING OUT.YOU SEE HE IS USINH VICKY AS A PAWN TO GET BACK AT THE WTS FOR HIS OWN WRONGDOING.ANYWAY IT WILL SOON BE OVER

I have no idea what the heck you are talking about here, or how you could be inside the head of some guy named Frank and know his motives. Or how you can be inside the head of this woman you say you don't even know now. You are guessing and making stuff up and saying it is truth.

........I PERSONALLY WILL NEVER LOOK OR TALK TO HER AGAIN,SHE HAS BEEN DISOWNED MY HER REALTIVES,MOST ARE NOT EVEN WITNESSES SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU.

It tells me that, like many families where there is abuse, they and friends like you, have rallied around the abuser and shut out the abused one, causing further abuse and pain. The fact that you and her realitives shun her is irrelevant. It proves nothing.

FOR THE RECORD MANY OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS BUT THE LAWYER FOR THE WTS IS NOT EVEN A WITNESS!

Thanks for sharing. This is interesting, but irrelevant.

You are very upset and defensive about this case. This leads me to guess that you are in some way close to it and must be going through a lot of emotions right now.

But everything you have stated could simply be explained as support for the fact that this woman was abused and IS telling the truth about what happened with the elders and her father, not the other way around.

Why are you so defensive and so sure that you are right? (when there is no possible way for you to be SURE?)

You could be wrong. Have you ever thought of that? You might not know everything. Radical thought, I know.

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I am sorry for posting to this thread, but I just could not help myself.

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JW at Dr's office

by VeniceIT in

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today i was sitting in the waiting room to get a check up and the other lady in there is sitting with a bound volume on her lap, studying her km, and she had a lil bible with her.

i think it was in french, not sure i didn't speak to her because i didn't want to affect her blood pressure .

i just felt so sad seeing her sitting there, racing, and instead of being able to relax a bit in the office, she had to sit and study, it kind of made me sick in the stomach thinking about all that running around we had to do.

lisaBObeesa

orbison11, welcome to the board!

-LisaBObeesa

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Survivor -- Thailand

by simplesally in

anybody going to watch it?

fun begins on september 19th..........thursday night.

i think this makes it survivor 5!

lisaBObeesa

I CAN'T WAIT! SURVIVOR is the best guilty pleasure on tv!

--LisaBObeesa, who thinks Ethan should be on EVERY Survivor.

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Is there any exJW in the SF Bay Area, CA?

by sunshineToo in

anyone?

lisaBObeesa

Sunnyvale/Santa Clara here.... :)

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AUDIO of our COVERT OPS & THE STORY

by zev in

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gwen and i went on a mission .

going in as a couple of "interested ones"...into a kh that i was reasonably sure i wouldn't be recongnized as the "uadna-ri" i went in with a hidden wire and tape recorder to get the "evidence".

on this site you will find links to 4 audio files... the first two are "the part", and the other two files are an audio clip of the "love bombing" attack we got when we left the first meeting, and the reading of a letter to "all congregations" concerning the discontinuation of subscriptions.. as with all jw things, it is interesting to hear the comments made by the speaker, things not written in the km, and views, attitudes, and references made when speaking of how to treat disfellowshipped family members.. all in all, i am glad we went on this misssion.

lisaBObeesa

************Thank you for recording this!!!**************

The points that really prompted the gag reflex in me:

When someone said something like, even if they(df family member) cant take care of themselves we wouldnt want them in our house if their attitude is bad.

Anther person in their answer said this amazing piece of doublethink: We need to consider: Did they just fall on hard times? Or do they really need help? HELLO, PEOPLE!!!!!!

And of course, when the speaker emphasized what this article IS...

Q: What IS this article, brothers and sisters?

A: This article is a loving reminder from Jehovah.

Barf!!!! Jehovah is in Brooklyn. I couldnt stand hearing that line when I was 12, and I cant stand it now. Barf barf barf.

Also encouraging use of a barf bag was the use of the phrase, solidify in your mind.

My sister prides herself on shunning our mom, but always reminds me that she could talk to mom if she wanted. (Like she is trying to make sure I know she is free to think for herself or something. Humm.) She yelled at me regarding how she treats mom, I can do whatever I want! If I chose to talk to her, I could. I will mention in my next phone call with her how sorry I am that she now CANT choose to speak to mom if she wants to since the society told her NO! in the last KM. That should get her rebellious nature all fired up!

Thanks again for recording this and posting this on the web!!! Great stuff!

-LisaBObeesa

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We shall NOT watch how we walk

by mikepence in

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my family will not be attending the march.

i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.

the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.

lisaBObeesa

Is this a press event, or is this really "for the children?"

As I understand it, this is a press event...for the children.

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Should I Go To College?

by joeshmoe in

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like a typical witness goody-goody-two-shoes, i eschewed college in favor of "theocratic pursuits" when i was a teen (i.e.

over 5 yrs at bethel).

now, at age 26, with my eyes opened and purged of the witness insanity, im thinking about college again.

lisaBObeesa

Thank God I read this thread... I almost took another semester off...

-LisaBObeesa