Posts by lisaBObeesa

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Shunning non-JWs and shunning in general

by jws in

jw
friends

often the topic of shunning comes up on this forum, how bad it is, unloving, etc.. my question is this.

even if you think disfellowshipping is bad, have you ever cut off ties and/or avoided anyone?

maybe not to the level of jws, but do you just try to avoid talking to some people or try to be in another part of the room at social events?

lisaBObeesa

So, then the convicted child molester who raped his daughter should be allowed to talk to his daughter, even if the daughter and her mother doesn't want to have any contact with him?

I did not say that or even anything close to that.

I said that prisoners in jail are still allowed to talk to their family and friends (letters, phone calls, visits). You have found an exception.

How about this: MOST prisoners are allowed to talk to their family and friends and MOST shunned ex-JWS are not.

Remember that secular law allows the use of a restraining order, where the offender is absolutely disallowed to make any contact with their victims, or go back to jail/prison, so there's an example of enforced shunning in criminal law.

I guess a restraining order is close to JW shunning, but it is not a perfect parallel, because the person is not cut off from contact of almost all of their family and friends.

BTW, almost ALL religions practice a form of shunning

We are talking about the way JWs shun in this thread. Almost all religions do NOT practice this form of shunning. only a very few abusive groups do.

it's entirely voluntary to be a member

Many are born into it.

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Shunning non-JWs and shunning in general

by jws in

jw
friends

often the topic of shunning comes up on this forum, how bad it is, unloving, etc.. my question is this.

even if you think disfellowshipping is bad, have you ever cut off ties and/or avoided anyone?

maybe not to the level of jws, but do you just try to avoid talking to some people or try to be in another part of the room at social events?

lisaBObeesa

If the person IS guilty (say, if they were convicted of pedophilia in a criminal court of law), and then weren't repentant, do you think they SHOULD be allowed to stay in the congreation after being punished by secular law?

The JW practice of shunning is what I am talking about. The way the JWs do it.

My position is that the fact that they might actually shun a super-duper bad bad person once in a while does not justify the JW practice of shunning overall.

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Shunning non-JWs and shunning in general

by jws in

jw
friends

often the topic of shunning comes up on this forum, how bad it is, unloving, etc.. my question is this.

even if you think disfellowshipping is bad, have you ever cut off ties and/or avoided anyone?

maybe not to the level of jws, but do you just try to avoid talking to some people or try to be in another part of the room at social events?

lisaBObeesa

Some of the people JWs DF and shun ARE actually guilty of committing horrific crimes and offenses, and ARE the type of people who exhibit abhorrent abusive behavior.

Is this a justification for the JW practice of shunning?

Secular society also "shuns" people by placing them in prison, or giving them the invisible "mark" on their records for committing crimes. So not ALL shunning is unwarranted, or esp wrong.

Even prisoners can still talk to their family and friends.

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Shunning non-JWs and shunning in general

by jws in

jw
friends

often the topic of shunning comes up on this forum, how bad it is, unloving, etc.. my question is this.

even if you think disfellowshipping is bad, have you ever cut off ties and/or avoided anyone?

maybe not to the level of jws, but do you just try to avoid talking to some people or try to be in another part of the room at social events?

lisaBObeesa

So I basically "disfellowhip" or "shun" people who aren't even JWs.

What makes me shunning a worldly person different than disfellowshipping?

I know one thing is we weren't told what the DF'ed person did and were expected to shun them anyway.

Yes, that is a BIG difference. As a JW you are required to completely shun anyone the elders tell you to shun, and to continue shunning them until the elders tell you must STOP shunning them, and you may not know why you are shunning them.

But there are more differences:

1) If one of those non-jw people that you avoid walked up to you and said 'hi' would you look right through them and keep walking as if they were not even there?

Do you treat these people like they are already dead?

If not, you don't 'disfellowhip' or 'shun' people in the way that JWs do.

And...

2) One person avoiding another person because they don't like their behavior is completely different from a person's entire social group punishing them with extreme collective aggression.

Avoiding someone because you don't like their behavior is not abuse.

Shunning a person the way JW's shun disfellowhsipped people is mental and emotional abuse.

3) Avoiding someone because you don't like their behavior is not trying to blackmail the other person.

JW shunning is for the purpose of trying to blackmail people...it is for the purpose of controlling people...it is for the purpose of making people do what the JWs want them to do. It is saying 'I am going to withhold my love from you until you do what I want.' Totally different from just avoiding a person because you don't like their behavior.

4) avoiding a person because you don't like your behavior is not trying to punish the person.

JW shunning is for the purpose of punishment, as well as blackmail...

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New 16 page WT & AWAKE available on jw.org

by St George of England in

needless to say it's the same old rubbish.

the wt has the usual 'doom & gloom front cover, end of the world, fireball, people running in panic.... george.

.

lisaBObeesa

Cover: 'the end is near'

Page 1: 'the end is near'

page 2: 'the end is near'

page 3: 'the end is near'

page 4: 'the end is near'

page 5: 'the end is near'

page 6: 'the end is near'

page 7: 'the end is near'

page 8: 'sometimes we are a wrong about the 'end is near' thing...but the end is still near.'

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New 16 page WT & AWAKE available on jw.org

by St George of England in

needless to say it's the same old rubbish.

the wt has the usual 'doom & gloom front cover, end of the world, fireball, people running in panic.... george.

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lisaBObeesa

Monster Beats product placement:

(Sorry, dude. No hipsters in the new system!)

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New 16 page WT & AWAKE available on jw.org

by St George of England in

needless to say it's the same old rubbish.

the wt has the usual 'doom & gloom front cover, end of the world, fireball, people running in panic.... george.

.

lisaBObeesa

j dubb, see the fourth post down on the first page of this thread...

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New 16 page WT & AWAKE available on jw.org

by St George of England in

needless to say it's the same old rubbish.

the wt has the usual 'doom & gloom front cover, end of the world, fireball, people running in panic.... george.

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lisaBObeesa

before Watchtower, bad:

after Watchtower, good:

******

While at the convention, it dawned on me that
I had been to the same venue for a rock concert
about a year earlier. The contrast I saw touched
my deepest emotions. At the concert, the facility
was littered with garbage and filledwith cigarette
smoke. Most of the concertgoers were unfriendly,
and the message in the music was depressing.
But at the convention, I was surrounded by genuinely
happy people

Yes. Most concerts are full of unhappy people listening to depressing music. :eye roll:

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New 16 page WT & AWAKE available on jw.org

by St George of England in

needless to say it's the same old rubbish.

the wt has the usual 'doom & gloom front cover, end of the world, fireball, people running in panic.... george.

.

lisaBObeesa

Page 4 of the Watchtower: Monster Beats product placement. swear to god.

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The Governing Body "Programming Innocent Children" Harmful or Benign?

by frankiespeakin in

of course sparlock as a programing tool needs to be examined.

children have a very active imagination, what message are they sending to childrens brains(psyche)/computer/quamtum mind/or what ever your choice for intelligence is called.. are these just innocent well meaning old men on the governing body?

or this an unconsious move of repressed evil from thier psyche's shadow?.

lisaBObeesa

Yes, it is a programing tool. It is consciously planned programing tool.

Though few children stay in, the ones that do will be very obedient cult members by the time they are adults. CONTROL is what matters in a high control group, not numbers of members.

Caleb, now that you know Jehovah hate's magic, what are you going to do with Sparlock?
Caleb, because you 'worldly' people make Jehovah sad, what are you going to do with your friends from school?

Caleb, because you know spending too much time in school makes Jehovah sad, what are you going to do with your education?

Caleb, because you know disfellowshipped people make Jehovah sad, what are you going to do with your DF'd mother?

Caleb, because you know blood transfusions make Jehovah sad, what are you doing to do with your LIFE?

The Org didn't make this movie to teach kids about the dangers of magic, or to teach them about God. They made this movie to plant mental triggers in the minds of young viewers that can be used to manipulate and control them for the rest of their lives.