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  I have other sheep which are not of this fold

  by Wayward Son in

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  john 10:16 - and i have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also i must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. setting: jesus was talking to a blind man he had recently cured and the pharisees were listening in.

  it sounds like he had a larger audience that likely included his apostles.so, who is "this fold" he was referring to and who are the "other sheep"?according to wts doctrine, the heavenly calling (covenant) had not been instituted yet.

  we don't hear about that until the last supper.

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  TimothyT

  Spot on!
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  Special Assembly Day of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by iamwhoiam in

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  program 2011 - 2012. theme: 'let god's will take place' - matt.

  6:10. morning session.

  9:40 music.

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  Do you know... the stupid thing is I bet that they wouldnt cover what the will of God actually is! All they would do is say that the preaching work is God's will (true, but only a small part of it). All the other stuff mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 5:12-22, 1 Timothy 2:2-4, and 1 Peter 2:13-17 about being peaceable, kind, good towards others, happy, prayerful, thankful, thoughtfull, subjective, honourable, fearful of God, and showing love will as per usual be swept under the rug!

  What nonsense. In fact I bet if i went, i would take so many notes, then id go home, research them and then use them as a basis to find out what the will of God ACTUALLY is! Hmmm!

  Timmy x
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  Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

  by TimothyT in

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  one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

  when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

  am i missing something here!?!?

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  Just looking over my original post, I can see how this JW is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I read a lot of crazy, harsh, derogatory and totaly misapplied points that come from the one and only... Watchtower organisation. As the article I quoted said:

  The Pharisees sought to fill in such supposed gaps by means of their laws, definitions, and traditions. While Jesus ignored the arbitrary rules of the Pharisees, he did observe the Mosaic Law. (Matt. 5:17, 18; 23:23) He saw beyond the letter of the Law. Jesus discerned the spirit behind the Law and the need for mercy and compassion. He was reasonable, even when his followers failed him.

  What Eggnogg has done here is completely solidified my faith and belief that this is a most ompressive organisation. As we have seen, we cannot even have a difference in opinion without being told that we are wrong, or that we know nothing of the bible, and that he knows more than we do. The pharisees had a very similar attitude. Alarm bells???
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  Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

  by TimothyT in

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  one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

  when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

  am i missing something here!?!?

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  eggnog: This means that while you, @Mary and @TimothyT may have once aligned your beliefs with those held by Jehovah's Witnesses, it has always been possible that the three of you would abandon those beliefs for whatever reason and embrace other beliefs, which is fine. But why should Jehovah's Witnesses abandon their beliefs just because the three of you here on JWN, and others on here as well, may have abandoned them? It is your right to believe what you choose to believe and each one of Jehovah's Witnesses exercise their respective rights to believe what it is they choose to believe. Hehe... were we asking them to? I wasnt. People can believe what they want. What I would encourage them to do though is to study the scriptures properly, in context and just for once, do so without the help of the organisation, as they will see the scriptures as they were mant to be: pure and unadulterated truth.

  Billy: Timmy, since Jesus never had to keep flip-flopping and changing his teachings over the past 2000 years, the GB really should be honest about their "progressive" teachings as djeggnog has pointed out. They claim to be "guided" by God's spirit and "God's channel", yet when they're caught in a false prophecy, they say they're "imperfect men" with "new light." Well, rather than putting publication dates on their books, brochures, and magazines, Watchtower should put expiration dates on all their literature. Instead of putting out a "current" Watchtower with the date March 15, 2012, they should stamp "Expiration Date: 3/15/2013". I have to agree. How can they honestly say they represent God if they were wrong? I can just imagine an almost satyrical scene where Moses, Elijah, or even Jesus wanted to do something, it didnt work, then he went all red because of it and quickly had to make an excuse to cover over the situation. How embarassing. I just dont see the comparison made by the org saying that they are now the way to salvation. If you read the New Testament, its SOOOOO clear that the position of saviour was, is and will always be Jesus Christ alone!!! Its just so obvious and clear to me! How cant the JWs see this???

  MrDarkKnight: I would have thought that would make him the perfect part of the JW establishment!!! (He displays an inaccurate knowledge of JW teachings, and lacks the finesse required to be of the JW leadership. I am not sure of his purpose for posting, he is not drawing people as Christ did, but is alienating them. I find him entertaining, but his commentary pointless.) JW down to a T! :)

  eggnong: I don't know if you are currently suffering from a psychosis of some kind, but I don't want to be responsible in any way for causing a psychotic break. Your behavior in this thread has demonstrated to me that you aren't straightforward and after reading your last six messages of yours, I've concluded that I might not have been exchanging messages with a sane person. Have you ever heard the epression, said the pot to the kettle Eggnog? I must say I find your threads quite disturbing. You most certainly arnt straight forward thats for sure! :)

  eggnong: You continue to ignore the posting guidelines for this forum and although you have gone as far as to ask the OP for permission to derail his thread, I don't believe the OP (@TimothyT) has been given the authority to permit anyone to violate any of the guidelines here. Once again, as was the VERY point of my original post, the JWs are ALL ABOUT RULES! Eggnog, you have just confirmed this once again. As much as I respect the need for rules and guidelines, they are not the be all and end all of life. If someone has a valid point then they should make it. Who cares if its off topic. This is a JW forum and if people are talking about JWs then its on topic in my opinion. If this bothers you then start a new thread. I may do it for you actually. :) Owned!!!

  Timmy
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  Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

  by TimothyT in

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  one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

  when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

  am i missing something here!?!?

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  TimothyT

  Go for it Billy! :)
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  Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

  by TimothyT in

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  one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

  when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

  am i missing something here!?!?

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  Well said Billy.

  I believe here Eggnog that your perspective is simply different to mine and Billy's and many others. Its my word versus yours and we are not going to change. We even have differing perspectives on what Jesus said. It is my experience that JWs focus less on what Jesus actually taught and put HUGE emphasis on preaching house to house telling people that they alone have the truth. Thats my perspective. After studying the bible and this organisation, i dont understand it and i dont understand why anyone could read the bible properly and still want to be a part of it. However, what do i know? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and is free to live their lives as they wish. Id rather focus on showing love to others than following man made traditions. Maybe you just dont see it like that. Fair enough. From what I read in the bible, i know i miss the mark many times, as do we all. But im still going to study and do my best for God despite anything. Perhaps you say this is pointless but I just dont believe that.

  Timmy x
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  How truly happy are you?

  by Freeof1914 in

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  i am just curious to hear of some you who have left the org completely, how happy are you?

  in my situation i feel like i am on a precipice and about to make a leap into the unknown.

  since i have told my family elders and wife that i will mo longer go to the meetings or out on service i feel as if a load has been lifted.

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  TimothyT

  Hello Freeof1914

  Everyone is different and I think we all leave it at different stages. Of course situations are different and some have the cooperation of their families etc.

  To be honest I felt happy 1 month before i stopped going to meetings and 5 months before i was disfellowshipped. I knew that i would be and that it could have a major impact on my happiness. So i decided to be strategic and i planned for the future. I increased my income, i found new friends, i got myself a boyfriend who i love, i secured my familys support, i made sure my spirituality was tip top and when i was finaly disfellowshipped, i simply said.... whatever!

  In my opinion i have lost nothing, and anything i have lost wasnt worth keeping anyway.

  In terms of what helped me, positivity is a good thing, support from friends and family is crucial, having people to talk to and who will listen is important. This forum was WONDERFUL to me. So many good people here who encouraged me. I understand what you mean about the unknown. I was the same. I had no idea what my life would be after i left, but i was sooooo sure of something.... that my life HAD to be better than what it was when i was a JW. I was so miserable and depressive. Leaving was the best thing i ever did.

  Keep in touch! :) x

  Timmy
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  How truly happy are you?

  by Freeof1914 in

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  i am just curious to hear of some you who have left the org completely, how happy are you?

  in my situation i feel like i am on a precipice and about to make a leap into the unknown.

  since i have told my family elders and wife that i will mo longer go to the meetings or out on service i feel as if a load has been lifted.

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  I am SUPER happy! Everything is perfect!
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  Baptism

  by new one in

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  i just wanted to ask a question as regards jw baptism.

  i already know that just before the actual baptism the soon to be jw has to answer 2 questions, but what i'd like to know is this: during the actual baptism do the jw's stick to matt 28:19 "baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit" ?.

  thanks in advance for any help.. i'd also like to know if it would be possible to speak privatly with one of the more experianced members.

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  TimothyT

  What a great question. I also asked the same thing to a sister in my congregation before I was disfellowship. I told her that I felt my baptism was invalid because it wasnt done in the manner that Jesus said. She told me that it was totaly correct, but I dont see how because it was done differently from what Jesus said.

  Timmy x
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  What Scriptural Support Is There For Believing in Second/Greater Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy?

  by JWB in

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  what scriptural support is there for believing in second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy?.

  this is a genuine equiry into where the idea of second/greater fulfillments of bible prophecy originated.

  does it have definite scriptural support or is it simply an extra-biblical religious device thought up to try to make prophecies appear relevant to the modern age?

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  TimothyT

  What a great post Vanderhoven! The very fact that the scripture says that no such tribulation would ever come again is quite something!