The article was from 1985 Feb 1, so that was the Franz era. So that answers that.
Thank you all for your answers.
Jerryh
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Midnight Cry
by Jerryh ini never was a witness but need to learn for someone i love.
i think i know what the teaching is in general about.
matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc.
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Midnight Cry
by Jerryh ini never was a witness but need to learn for someone i love.
i think i know what the teaching is in general about.
matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc.
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Jerryh
Okaaay I honestly don't see the problems with my questions. I pasted that quote from JW.com and as
usual it is just an assertion with no further information like a date or who represents the wise or foolish
virgins. Now I have researched enough to pretty well know who they say is wise and foolish but I was
looking for a few details.
On the question of the current meeting schedule I understand that has changed over the last year or two.
Before the internets when there was only apostate books I read most of them and they are not very useful
and now obsolete. okay I withdraw the freaking questions.
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Midnight Cry
by Jerryh ini never was a witness but need to learn for someone i love.
i think i know what the teaching is in general about.
matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc.
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Jerryh
I never was a Witness but need to learn for someone I love. I think I know what the teaching is in general about
Matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc. but the midnight cry? Can anyone elaborate? Also what is
the meeting schedule currently? What happens on what days? thanks
This was an outstanding feature of the “sign” that Jesus foretold in his great prophecy. For the remnant, the time of that awakening was one of great joy, a joy like that of the five discreet, or wise, virgins awakened by the midnight cry: “Here is the bridegroom! Be on your way out to meet him.” (Matthew 25:1-6) That joyous awakening occurred in the spring of 1919,
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How Would You Prove To A JW That They Are Wrong?
by minimus inwhat could you say to prove to a witness that they simply do not have the truth?.
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Vanderhoven7, do you have the reference for this one? and thks for your posts Jerryh
2. Is it written or beyond what is written to say that the heavenly class was numerically complete in 1935?
(We don't teach that anymore)
But you did teach that for over 70 years, right up till 2007.
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JW Door-to-Door Notekeeping Attracts Scrutiny of EU Authorities
by Room 215 ina newly- enacted eu gdpr privacy protection law, to become effective from may 25, has apparently prompted jws to file suit in protest: .
(translated from the italian) .
source: ex-jwblog: http://testimonidigeovachiedono.blogspot.com/2018/05/le-note-di-casa-in-casa-sono-illegali-per-il-gdpr.html):.
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Jerryh
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillance-technology.html
This column is not relevant . . . or is it?
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What's the difference between a Christian and a JW?
by nowwhat? inchristians look to jesus as the redeeemer of mankind.. jw's look to jesus as the executioner of mankind!.
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Jerryh
John 3:16 relates a general concept, an abstraction as does 1 John 2:2.
John 3:16 must become Galatians 2:20 to become a Christian.
I am impaled along with Christ. It is no longer I that live, but it is Christ that is living in union with me. Indeed, the life that I now live in flesh I live by the faith that is toward the Son of God, who loved me and handed himself over for me.
As much as I dislike the WBTS I have to admit the "anointed" fit the concept but there is no such thing
as an un-anointed Christian. There are no un-forgiven Christians or un-justified, un-regenerated, un-sealed
un-washed etc. Paul's advise to the Romans was "let each [man] be fully convinced in his own mind"
The Imago Dei defies definition but surely contains the ability to choose.
He also advised the Corinthians to "keep testing whether you are in the faith, keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved.
You can definitely say it is a pre req.
Whoever is not carrying his torture stake and coming after me cannot be my disciple. Rule number 1
straight forward out of the mouth of the judge. If you are an active JW please pore over Romans 6: 6-7
to see how the org. misapplies scripture directly related to this and see if you have courage to point it out.
one more reference
For you died, and your life has been hidden with the Christ in union with God Col 3:3
Mr. cofty is correct as usual
Back to the topic - The difference between xtians and JWs is soteriology. JWs believe Jesus died for the sins of Adam; xtians believe Jesus died for their own personal sins. The difference is massive.
soteriology is kinda like the main idea, no?
*** w83 8/15 p. 23 par. 14 United Fruit Bearers ***
While the “other sheep” are not branches of the Abrahamic-covenant “olive tree” or of “the true vine,” Christ Jesus, they must prove themselves to be Christ’s disciples. Like all the anointed Christian “branches,” they must “keep bearing much fruit.” This they do by producing Christlike qualities of the new personality, including “the fruitage of the spirit.” (Galatians 5:22, 23; Matthew 28:19, 20; Colossians 3:5-14) But to be really fruitful they give active expression to such qualities by sharing in the work of preaching “this good news.” (Matthew 24:14) Just as the anointed “branches” of the “true vine” must remain in union with Christ, the “other sheep” must remain in close union with “the faithful and discreet slave,” Christ’s anointed “brothers.” Only thus can they hope to ‘inherit the Kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.’—Matthew 25:31-40.
see rule number 1
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Concerned Parent
by ConcernedParent ini'm writing for some advice from former jws.
my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.
(the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.
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Jerryh
CP's goal is to keep her daughter safe and to prevent her from joining a cult. It is not to attempt to "rescue" her daughter's boyfriend and/or get him to wake-up and leave the cult. If that happens, great.
Hi jp, I was hoping for both. tks for your input
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Concerned Parent
by ConcernedParent ini'm writing for some advice from former jws.
my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.
(the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.
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Jerryh
one more thing CP, NEVER quote anything and say it came from this forum as it is "apostate".
all those quotes above you can get first hand at JW.ORG
search here https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0
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Concerned Parent
by ConcernedParent ini'm writing for some advice from former jws.
my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.
(the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.
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Jerryh
Dear concerned parent, you are have come to a forum populated by ex-witnesses and forum posts by
the nature of the case are short. There are no JWs in my family other then my daughter, now her
young family. Your story is identical to mine of twenty years ago so listen to the warnings you have
received. My JW son-in- law is a wonderful young man and excellent husband and father. I say this
because there are about 8 million JWs and they are just people with the full gamut of personalities and
virtues and lack thereof. The "Governing Body' (yes capital letters) is the issue and they are antichrist
not that boy who is a guest in your house. You are a Christian and so am I (not much of one but that
another story) and I wish I had known then what I know now. Here is why the GB is antichrist in Greek
and English. Anti in English means opposed or against but here is ἀντὶ in the New Testament.
ὀφθαλμὸν ἀντὶ ὀφθαλμοῦ καὶ ὀδόντα ἀντὶ ὀδόντος. (Mat 5:38)
eye for eye and tooth for tooth
ἀντὶ τοῦ λέγειν ὑμᾶς (Jam 4:15)
Instead you ought to say
ἀντὶ in the NT often means substitute and that is what the GB claims for themselves, alternative
mediators between God and humanity. Jesus is their mediator and they are the mediator for the rest
of us. Here are some references from their publications.
*** Watchtower 1979 4/1 page. 31 Questions From Readers ***
” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.
*** Watchtower 1991 2/15 page. 18 par. 11 “You Were Bought With a Price” ***
Christ does not act as Mediator of the new covenant toward them, yet they benefit from this covenant through the work of God’s Kingdom.
Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace” (one of their little books)
*** ws chap. 1 pp. 10-11 par. 16 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***
Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.
So at this point concerned parent you probably know more about JW doctrine than the boy friend and I am
absolutely serious. He may object and say "I believe in Jesus too" and be sincere.
Here is how JWs get Jesus whether they know it or not.
*** Watchtower 1983 8/15 page. 23 par. 14 United Fruit Bearers ***
Just as the anointed “branches” of the “true vine” must remain in union with Christ, the “other sheep” must remain in close union with “the faithful and discreet slave,”
Of course I am assuming the boy friend is one of the "other sheep". Ask him
Take it from someone who has been there CP do not let this slide. Find out about the "slave".
Jerryh
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I Ain't Got No Religion No More ... (But I Like to Get Myself Some Gospel Music)
by Simon ini love gospel music.
i don't feel like i need to believe in "jebus" to appreciate the music.
i can't go into a gospel church because i might just get religion again - that or i'll be grabbing the mic on be on the stage waving my hands and praising the lord.. i particularly like dylan's gospel period.
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