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RayPublisher
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They're (Elders) after me!!!!!!!!!
by Gojira_101 ingood morning and sorry this is so late being posted, it's been a busy week and this is the first chance to post.. our home phone, which only a few people know and have, has been ringing constantly for the last two weeks, and my hubby and i have been ignoring it.
my parents and the elders are the only ones that have our home phone number and my parents have been just calling my cell because they know we won't answer the house phone...anyways this has been going on for several weeks.. on saturday i get a call from my dad asking me how the asl cong works with recruiting people for their hall...i was really confused because my parents live 90 miles from the asl cong and the people in that hall are too lazy to drive that far.
so i asked him to explain.. apparently some man called asking if there was anyone in the household who knew asl to help communicate with deaf....so i can't say everything about the conversation because i don't want to reveal details.
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JW Apologists on YouTube and the Net becoming bolder
by RayPublisher inis it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?.
i have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc.
according to wt.. here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a jw apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "a" word on one of my videos, stating that i was a "bitter apostate":.
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Yep. Here was my response:
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"I will speak to who I choose"
Good for you Little Warrior! That's in direct violation of WT mandate and to your credit.
"the Watchtower gives advice that's all"
If I had a dime for every time I've heard that one I'd be a wealthy man. Try not taking their "advice" openly and see how far you will get! Once when the D.O. met with our elder body he said, "When the Society says, 'a good suggestion is to do [such and such] this way...' they don't mean it as a suggestion- we do it the way THEY say. These are not suggestions."
I am QUOTING him BTW. That's exactly what he said. We are not to decide for ourselves. The GB is our conscience. WT headquarters does not give advice- they issue commands. At first you will be asked nicely, and treated gently, especially if you are a sister. But it is the iron fist in the velvet glove. I served in Brooklyn Bethel, and of this fact I can assure you.
An elderly sister was DFed some years ago only because she said she didn't agree with Christ coming in 1914. "Nothing really happened then, and I've never been able to really understand the chronology anyway." were the gist of her words. After an hour or so of trying to "convince" her, the elders deliberated, and then disfellowshiped her. She has been cut off from association with her daughter, granddaughter, and other family members ever since. She is now almost 90 and none of her family have anything to do with her.
Jesus said, "by your fruits you will recognize these ones". Yes indeed.----------
On a related note, once my ex-wife said that the articles in the Watchtower were commentaries and good advice, like what Clark and Barnes and others have done. I responded by saying,
"But if you disagree with Clark or Barnes they won't try and disfellowhip you."
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JW Apologists on YouTube and the Net becoming bolder
by RayPublisher inis it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?.
i have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc.
according to wt.. here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a jw apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "a" word on one of my videos, stating that i was a "bitter apostate":.
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UPDATE:
Here is his latest response:
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The UN has not been endorsed by the Watchtower.
I will speak to who I choose the Watchtower gives advice that's all.----------------------
BRILLIANT! He has me on my knees, ready to repent and re-dedicate myself to the WT!!
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New light Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release
by cedars inhttp://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.
if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.
it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.
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So many words written by the WT...a mountain of them, into the millions...swept away by a new study magazine.
Soon it will be to be dropped in the trough and lapped up by the eager Dubbs who will embrace it with the too-familiar
"We always KNEW this was what it was!" reaction...
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Mouthy Protesting Against The Watchower
by Bangalore in.
here is where i found this pic.
bangalore.
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I AM SOOOO PROUD OF YOU GRANNY GRACE we love you I love you!
This is making me tear up I gotta go do something manly now...
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JW Apologists on YouTube and the Net becoming bolder
by RayPublisher inis it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?.
i have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc.
according to wt.. here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a jw apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "a" word on one of my videos, stating that i was a "bitter apostate":.
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UPDATE:
The JW "warriorprince" just responded last night. He wrote:
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"How could that be old news? "
If it is not new news.
I love Jehovah and the Watchtower society are the only organisation on earth that follow Jehovah. Are they perfect? No. If they were then the bible would have lied as it makes it clear all humans are imperfect, barring Jesus.
Do I get along with all JW in the congregation? No. But I love Jehovah so stay. I have made many great friends who are JW from all races and nations, I love to travel to assemblies around the world and bethels.
My heart will always be with Jehovah and his humble and imperfect organisation. You need to understand that the UN link did not condone the UN or support it is a the hope for mankind.
My heart remains with Jehovah in these last hours.
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We note that he STILL has yet to address my question about him disobeying his GB masters (Or is it Slave-masters lol?) and watching these videos... I will respond to him with the WT quotes and see what he says...
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JW Apologists on YouTube and the Net becoming bolder
by RayPublisher inis it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?.
i have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc.
according to wt.. here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a jw apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "a" word on one of my videos, stating that i was a "bitter apostate":.
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@ Splash - I respect your position and your conscience on this bro. We ARE ALL at different stages and have no room to judge what another does on this WT stuff.
They are on shifting sand that is for sure.
@ SD-7 - Good responses bro you can out-debate this fellow with one arm tied behind your back...
@ AndDontCallMeShirley - First off this: I love that screen name and I love Leslie Nielson he is hillarious.
Thanks for these great quotes I am going to send them to the JW guy and see how he reacts to them!
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slavenomore
by Slavenomore inleaving the org was not a doctrinal choice for me as it was for many on this board.
i left mentally because of the boredom and then i physically left by being dfd.
i have been reading here for about a month or so and now i know i made the right decision.
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Welcome slavenomore! Love your story and now you are normal and can live love and laugh.
A picture of you and your new wife would be great...
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The FIRST Memorial Ive missed in 41 years
by Londo111 inlast year, my last jw memorial, i listened to the talk as an outsider would.
the speaker strung unrelated texts together and for the first time, i saw that the interpretations made no sense.
afterward, i had a private memorial with homemade unleavened bread and wine with four people--three of whom partook.
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YOU ROCK LONDO - "Free at last... free at last"!
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JW Apologists on YouTube and the Net becoming bolder
by RayPublisher inis it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?.
i have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc.
according to wt.. here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a jw apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "a" word on one of my videos, stating that i was a "bitter apostate":.
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Is it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?
I have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc. according to WT.
Here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a JW Apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "A" word on one of my videos, stating that I was a "bitter apostate":
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I sent him this message:
Subject: Your comments on my YT videos
Hello Little "Warrior"
My name is Eric my YouTube channel is JWStruggle as you know. I wanted to tell you that I am glad you are watching my videos for and about Jehovah's Witnesses. I was an elder for many years and served at Brooklyn Bethel, knew many Governing Body members, gave parts on conventions, etc.
Brother, you are violating the rules of your own Most Holy Governing Body by watching my videos and adding comments. Ask your local elders- they will most certainly give you "loving counsel" and order you to stop commenting and watching them. If you don't do this and continue watching and commenting, then it would show a rebellious spirit by your own standards as stated in the WT magazine. Calling me names only makes you more of a hypocrite...Jesus did not do this.
Like you, I used to also defend the WT and the governing body when people said things that I thought were slanderous or fabricated. Then a few years ago I stumbled upon scanned documents proving that the Watchtower joined the United Nations as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) for a period from 1991 to 2001. It shocked me, since the Revelation book says that the UN is the scarlet colored wild beast. I also read many Watchtower magazines that Brother Russell wrote back in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
I came to realize something was very wrong but couldn't figure out just what it was. If Russell was alive today he would be DFed for apostasy as the doctrines have changed so much. I found out that there are thousands of brothers that go home after memorial and partake of the emblems in private so as not to go through the embarrassment some would put them through if they followed their Christian conscience and nibbled and sipped the bread and wine.
It was agonizing...and I prayerfully waited on Jehovah for answers and did more long, careful research for about two years. The conclusions I reached were not hasty or emotional. It's not about finding fault at all. The friends at the Kingdom Hall are good people, of this I had no doubt. It wasn't about finding flaws in people. But I found out I had been lied to about many things...I was told all my life that I would never grow old in this system, that I would never even get out of High School before the New World came... and that was almost 30 years ago!
So when I finally looked behind the curtain and saw that the "Great and Powerful Oz" was just a little old man making it up as he went along, I began to learn The Truth About The Truth (TTATT) and that was hard. But I am so glad that I did, and have a lot of hope and peace of mind today.
By all means, please contact me anytime if I can help you or answer any questions you may have. Many of the friends contact me regularly because they have no else they can talk to about these matters, including active elders and ministerial servants.
Agape,
Eric
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He wrote back:
The UN membership does not condone the UN or claim it can bring world peace, also it is old news.
I have pointed out you are an apostate, Jesus also did this.
In your videos you set up and mock innocent JW who are not in the governing body, this is cowardly and shows you simply cannot be trusted as a person.
I however wish you and your family the best.
One day maybe you will understand our relationship should be with Jehovah, not people in the kingdom hall, but one to one with Jehovah through his son Jesus.
Bye and I wish your family all the very best.--------------------
I responded:
Your comments regarding me and my family are appreciated. also I appreciate your honesty in acknowledging that the WT was a member of the scarlet-colored wild beast for 10 years. How could that be old news?
They are the ones that have aposticized though brother...the GB are the actual apostates! They lord it over their fellow slaves and crush anyone that dares to try and speak out for truth, using the elders as blunt tools and brass knuckles to carry out their bidding. In my own home I tried to read a book...in America...and my wife cried out- "Get THAT BOOK out of my home!" So as JWs we have banned books, banned websites...hmmm something's not right with this picture.
It is also notable that you continue to talk with me, a supposedly evil, slanderous, ensnarer of men's hearts. Yet I have literally hundreds that message me every month thanking me for helping them. I pray with them, encourage them to fololow their Christian conscience, and to serve Jehovah the father as well as Jesus his son.
And her you likely plan to continue watching so-called apostate videos and frequenting apostate sites in direct violation of your GB popes, as a "warrior" for T R U T H.
Why not answer me on this point and we can call it even: If what I preach is supposedly so "gangrenous", "death-dealing" and "poisonous" (according to the Watchtower) why have you escaped unscathed and unaffected?
Are you different from the rest of the friends? Built of stronger stuff than the rest?
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Could it be that you have been lied to about the so-called dangers of "apostate thinking"? Perhaps the rhetoric of the GB is not in line with fact and is overblown.
Which is it? Obey the GB, or think for yourself? They are your SLAVE (which is a contradiction itself since they are also simultaneously your masters)
Did you speak to your elders yet about your association with me and others online? Have they given you counsel you agree with or disagree with?
I await an answer on this and yes I wish you well also. There are MANY brothers and sisters in the KH that call me and email me still because we are friends, and you are welcome to do the same anytime.
Eric
BTW what is your name?---------------------
We will see what his next response is (if any)