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losthobbit
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Any God that let's baby's and children die is not my God
by Star tiger in.
i working in an old peoples home and i can understand that after a long life they die, but not in this horrible way of not knowing their family lost somewhere in their mind.. worse than that is the thought of children dying it angers me extremely that a god of love would allow this on the basis of his own ego!!!.
star tiger.
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Any God that let's baby's and children die is not my God
by Star tiger in.
i working in an old peoples home and i can understand that after a long life they die, but not in this horrible way of not knowing their family lost somewhere in their mind.. worse than that is the thought of children dying it angers me extremely that a god of love would allow this on the basis of his own ego!!!.
star tiger.
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losthobbit
And now for something completely different:
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any suggestions for other sites/boards similar to this preferably more christian
by jeckle indon't get me wrong you athiest are all right , save a little baby eating and what not.
but i like to read more refutting of everything jw and what not..
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losthobbit
Talking about eating babies, here's an interesting story: http://lesswrong.com/lw/y5/the_babyeating_aliens_18/
Yum yum
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Pension funds and the end of the world
by losthobbit inignore this if it's been asked a thousand times before, but what's the policy on pension fund contributions?.
do jw's tend to contribute towards pension funds, knowing the world's about to end?.
theoretically they would take out the biggest loan they can afford, not expecting to ever pay it back.. talking about the end of the world... when's the next one due?
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losthobbit
Thanks for your comments.
Sinis... it bugs me that so many people either don't realize what you just said, or don't care. The current system is completely unsustainable... one of the reasons I support the Zeitgeist Movement.
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Harold Camping's Kingdom Hall
by moshe inthe jw/wt doctrinal failures/coverups are already being compared to harold camping's failed endtimes predictions!
any news stories that have a camping-jw-wt tie up please post here!
please try and cut/paste the link and the story, so that in a year or two when the links go dead, we will still have the article for our archives.
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losthobbit
Very interesting - thanks for sharing. Although I should point out that my understanding of Matthew 24:32-34 is that the world was supposed to end in the first century.
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Pension funds and the end of the world
by losthobbit inignore this if it's been asked a thousand times before, but what's the policy on pension fund contributions?.
do jw's tend to contribute towards pension funds, knowing the world's about to end?.
theoretically they would take out the biggest loan they can afford, not expecting to ever pay it back.. talking about the end of the world... when's the next one due?
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losthobbit
Ignore this if it's been asked a thousand times before, but what's the policy on pension fund contributions?
Do JW's tend to contribute towards pension funds, knowing the world's about to end?
Theoretically they would take out the biggest loan they can afford, not expecting to ever pay it back.
Talking about the end of the world... when's the next one due? (an approximation is fine)
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The Zeitgeist Movement
by losthobbit injust wondering if anyone here is a supporter of the zeitgeist movement?
it's not a religion, and it's not zeitgeist: the movie.
it's a group of people who want to eliminate the world's biggest problems by removing their root cause.
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losthobbit
thanks for the recommendation, slimboyfat
I'll take a look, if I ever get through all the books on my list :)
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The Zeitgeist Movement
by losthobbit injust wondering if anyone here is a supporter of the zeitgeist movement?
it's not a religion, and it's not zeitgeist: the movie.
it's a group of people who want to eliminate the world's biggest problems by removing their root cause.
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losthobbit
One more thing... if you want to read a fictional story I wrote including an example of how a Resource Based Economy (The goal of the Venus Project) could be built, download my novel from: http://losthobbit.net/download.php
Or you can buy paperback or kindle versions from Amazon.com (search for "The Mischievous Nerd's Guide to World Domination").
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The Zeitgeist Movement
by losthobbit injust wondering if anyone here is a supporter of the zeitgeist movement?
it's not a religion, and it's not zeitgeist: the movie.
it's a group of people who want to eliminate the world's biggest problems by removing their root cause.
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losthobbit
Hi Tammy
Thanks for clarifying. I can't answer on behalf of the Venus Project and tell you exactly how they intend to achieve their goals. You could try asking specific questions on the Zeitgeist Movement's forum if you like. I can only tell you my opinions, and why I support the Zeitgeist Movement.
I'm a software developer doing mostly prototype development. In a way all programmers are inventors. We're always building things that have never been made before.
When asked to build an application I don't know beforehand the exact details of how I'm going to do it, but I have a learned set of design principles that I use. I always start with a goal. My manager will tell me to build him something... like a program that allows one system to communicate with another. I then break down the problem into smaller problems, and each smaller problem into even smaller problems until all the problems are simplified into things I know how to do... but this could be hundreds of thousands of lines of code, each solving a tiny piece of the puzzle.
The Venus Project is based on principles like tackling the root cause of a problem, sustainability, environmental awareness, simplification, the scientific method, fairness, continuous improvement etc. To detail the exact method could mean millions of pages of information. This would be far too much to write now, and far too much for anyone to read.
As in my software development, I build prototypes. I start by building something simple. Once people have looked at the prototype I take the information gathered from other people, or testing, and progress it further, or scrap it, and work on something else.
This is how I'd like to see the Venus Project evolve, building simple things that work, and therefore creating interest, pushing it further.
A key component in all of this is what the Zeitgeist Movement calls "education". This is not necessarily sitting in a class room, listening to a teacher. Think of all the ways in which information comes into your mind: advertising, movies, books, talking to people, facebook, experience etc.
Some of the questions you've asked are better understood after reading or watching the videos that are linked to from the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project websites, but as I said earlier, the forum is a good place to ask specific questions.
The Venus project does not intend to force anyone to do anything. Those that don't like it can continue to live in this system. If, however, the Venus Project succeeds in achieving its' goals, then those who reject it will be a bit like the Amish living on the Enterprise :)
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The Zeitgeist Movement
by losthobbit injust wondering if anyone here is a supporter of the zeitgeist movement?
it's not a religion, and it's not zeitgeist: the movie.
it's a group of people who want to eliminate the world's biggest problems by removing their root cause.
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losthobbit
Tammy, the goal is to have cities, like those defined on www.thevenusproject.com, in which the system, also defined on that site, can work.
Satanus, I love science, technology and automation. The more advanced we become, the less work there is to do. See google's work on automatic vehicle driving, as an example. If that becomes popular, we'll no longer need bus drivers or taxi drivers. That's fantastic, but not if you're a bus driver, or taxi driver. (This is I wrote 'I don't see how the current system can continue with the high, exponential rate of technological change - in this system peole need to have jobs in order to live.')
Technology progresses exponentially. In the last hundred years we've had more technological advances than in the last thousand. Every year we have more technological progress than the previous year. I don't think that many people really understand the word exponential, unless they see a graph, .... so take a look at the graphs on this page:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns
What happens when your job is automated?
Have you ever wondered how many jobs exist to benefit humanity, verse those which exist simply to move money around the system?
For example: Doctors, Vets, Farmers exist for a good reason. Cashiers, bankers, accountants, estate agents, insurance salesmen, and pretty much anyone that works in business (not directly creating a unique product, or solving a real problem) exist simply to move money around the system. Even the majority of work done by lawyers and police exists simply because of money.
Consider if there were no governments, and only one business existed, which employed everyone, and produced one make of every required product. Firstly, we'd all have jobs, and secondly, we'd only have to work for an hour or two a day.
Using money to keep score only works if you have money to start off with. Even if you do, you have to constantly watch your money, and make sure you invest it in the right place, and that it's not stolen.
You wrote "The education that you talk about sounds like a referal to the movement's gospel, which still is not clear, to me." ... the FAQ's on the Venus Project's site should answer your question. And yes, by "education", I refer to educating people about the problems in the current system, and proposals to create a working system.
You wrote "If your system needs for a lot of people to dissappear..." What? Where do you get that idea from?
You wrote "For measures to be implemented, steps have to be set out CLEARLY, as in number one step, number two step, etc. If the movement's leader has not done that, if steps are not clear in your mind, that is a bad sign."
The Zeitgeist Movement up till recently existed as the activist arm for the Venus Project. The Venus Project has a series of steps:
See: http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project-introduction/aims-proposals
The goal of the Zeitgeist Movement was simply to spread awareness of the Venus Project, so that they could achieve their goals.
The leader of the Venus Project is 95 year old Jacque Fresco. He's been working on this project for most of his life... that's a long time. Unfortunately he seems to have a bit of a problem working well with people these days, and Peter (founder of ZM) has disagreed with him regarding phase 2. For this reason, the ZM is now independent of the Venus Project, but still advocating their ideas. This change happened very recently, and I'm looking forward to Peter's plan to set up a NPO for research. As time goes on I believe we'll have a better idea as to how the transition is going to happen.
Until then, I don't have a better way of trying to help resolve the major problems in the world. If you do, please tell me.