if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
larc:
The law gave to use via Noah still applies to us.
The Moasaic law only applied during that time, up until 70 CE
The fact that the apostles repeated the score regarding blood in the Greek scriptures emphasises it further.
As for fat, that was a Mosaic law.
if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
As far as I can see, there is a law. It says "KEEP ABSTAINING... FROM BLOOD".
What does abstain mean?
To refrain from something by one's own choice
To hold oneself back; forbear: refrained from swearing.
So according to the Greek scripture, we are to make our own choice whether or not to hold back from the use of blood.
I personally think that Jehovah's laws should be listened to. Just because technology advances, doesnt mean God's laws decline.
Cant you see the error of your reasoning? My own personal choice is NO BLOOD because thats what the BIBLE says in Acts 15:29
Logical, Jehovah did not set a law in the Bible that prohibits blood from living donors being used medically. Anyone who says He did, is, quite frankly, a God damned liar.
Same tired old arguement. Questioning Jehovah, putting him to the test, bad things in His eyes. Id rather try to obey what He has commanded, rather than twist it around to suit me.
Jesus showed that the proper use of human blood was to save life and instructed his disciples to symbolicaly drink his blood. The apostle Paul said in the WT Bible 'you will prosper, good health to you.'
Yeah if you read Acts 15:29, just before Paul says those words, what does he also say? "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood..."
The Bible is clear on the issue. Satan is the one who is clouding it over. If you simply go back to Bible truths (which the WT no longer teach regarding blood) it is there, black and white.
KEEP ABSTAINING... FROM BLOOD
i was raised a jw left when i was 20 years old.
i have been out for 20 years until i met a brother and started studying.
after a year or so i met a sister who had been in the truth for all her life,46 years, she had been married 2 times.i fell in love with her.people had warned me that she was trouble,but i could not see it,i figured that she had to be better than the women that i knew in the world.i was in love,so we married 4 months later.thing were going good for a while i had been going to all the meetings and out to service,i noticed she was allways running down the elders, makeing fun of sisters,to and from the meetings.i started getting tired of it.so i told her i was not going to go to the meetings if she kept it up.we started arguing things got worse her mother and kids allways came 1st and for me last.the elders got involved, she left me went to her mothers.
Claudia:
My sister did that, she even told the elders that she was refusing. She would use sex as a reward for going to the hall. Something about that doesnt seem right.
Funnily enough, that point was brought out in the WT study yesterday. The word "prostitute" was also used to describe that sort of person. No offense meant, but hopefully that DUG IN to the "sisters" who play those sick games, making them feel really guilty.
if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
seven:
You are correct.
Just as anybody who condemns murder, but condones euthanasia, or condemns excessive alcohol consumption, but condones drug abuse would be breaking the law.
matt.24:14. this good news will be preached in all the earth and then the end will come.. we have all remembered that verse,studied that verse and preached that verse.. the wts uses that verse to keep the jws going door to door.. of course,the wts also says we (everyone on earth)must become a jw in order to have gods favor.. i was having a discussion with a born again christian and he said the good news that is to be preached is about jesus having come and having been put to death for our transgressions.
so that we can now aproach god on the basis of the sacrifice.
in the name of jesu christ.. the wts says the good news to be preached is about the kingdom that is to come.. what do you think the good news that jesus spoke of is?.
Carmel,
actually Jesus said the "kingdom is in your midst" when answering the Pharisees, read Luke 17:20-21
if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
Simon:
I understand what you are saying, but, the bottom line is Jehovah is above everything. If he set a law, it is there for a purpose. It is to be obeyed. No questions.
Im not 100% on top of the Mosaic law, but it is no longer observed because Christ fulfilled it. Im sure someone else can explain it better than I can.
If God's standards had changed, im sure that this topic wouldnt have been started because there would be no blood issue... the fact is His standards are the same high standards as they were in the beginning, and always will be.
As for the command for children... well, yes, that is still in force, but there are guidelines in the Greek scriptures regarding that situation, the gift of singleness etc.
Edited by - logical on 14 January 2001 13:40:48
if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
Joel:
A couple of thoughts...one...What is more important, the symbol for life(blood)...or Life itself? Which are we to respect more?
Respect for JEHOVAH rises above those two points, in fact, above anything. The actual life is more important than the blood, but the fact remains we are to obey Jehovah's law.
His law states ABSTAIN from blood.
Also your thoughts on what the Bible says about abstaining from FAT...or one was "cut off" (Lev.7:22-25)
Thats from the Mosaic law. No longer applies to us. Theres nothing in the Greek scriptures condemning it, so its ok now. Theres a bit about it in one of the WT publications, Insight I think, as to why it was originally not alowed, i cant recall off the top of my head.
Trevor:
To die rather than accept the gift of some spare blood would show a total lack of respect for life.
Not at all, in fact it would show utmost respect for Jehovah, to the extent that the person in that situation is willing to DIE just to uphold a law. Remember, there will be a ressurection, and Jehovah will remember those who were loyal to him until the end.
Edited by - logical on 14 January 2001 13:26:25
Edited by - logical on 14 January 2001 13:34:4
if this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
This whole thing really confuses me.
Jehovah told Noah the score where blood is concerned. And since we are all decendants of Noah, then that applies to us too. This hasnt changed.
The bible is clear on the use of blood. It should not be used at all. Jehovah has given us his command. This has also been repeated in the Greek scriptures. So, it applies to us.
By allowing the use of even the tiniest components of blood, the WT have compromised their stand for Jehovah in this area.
Jehovah will remember those who sadly died taking a stand for His law, and they will be blessed in the New System.
Where blood is concerned, anyone who is serious about serving Jehovah should ABSTAIN from it, in every way. Simple as that.
You could argue that transfusions, vaccinations ets were not in the Bible. But, aslo, pornography, smoking etc are not in the bible. We know they are bad, so why should it be any different for blood when it is clearly stated?
Remember how Jesus spoke of the Pharisees in his day? This could very well apply to the WT now, Matthew 23:5-6, also 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12
READ Matthew 23:13-15
History is repeating itself.
matt.24:14. this good news will be preached in all the earth and then the end will come.. we have all remembered that verse,studied that verse and preached that verse.. the wts uses that verse to keep the jws going door to door.. of course,the wts also says we (everyone on earth)must become a jw in order to have gods favor.. i was having a discussion with a born again christian and he said the good news that is to be preached is about jesus having come and having been put to death for our transgressions.
so that we can now aproach god on the basis of the sacrifice.
in the name of jesu christ.. the wts says the good news to be preached is about the kingdom that is to come.. what do you think the good news that jesus spoke of is?.
If you read the whole verse, it does say:
"And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come" NWT
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come" RSV
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" KJV
The Good News is that of the kingdom.
i had no idea you were ex-witnesses when i registered here.
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My advice is to only mix with people as narrow minded as yourself. The danger of mixing with honest seekers of truth is that one day a hole will appear in your wall and you will finf yourself staring out into the cold white light of truth.
I can vouch for that... this place has opened my eyes.
