Posts by logical

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The foretold prophet was not Jesus

by plmkrzy in

the old testament.

muhammad in the bible, .

source: muhammad in the bible, .

logical

The fact that all of the foregoing prophets testify to the truth of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) constitutes a yet stronger testimony to the truth of Islam and the Unity of religions.

Haha dont you find that amusing, of course he testifies to those who preceeded him, i mean he wouldnt be a very good prophet, false or otherwise, if he didnt now would he?

Muslims look upon the source of Bible as holy and divine and its medium as truthful men. And here is a verse of Al-Quran which confirms this statement:

Yet if you find something in the Quran that contradicts the bible, or vice versa, they immediately say the bible is in error.....

Of course, Muslims regard the Christian Scriptures as interpolated, but interpolation still implies retention of some original truths.

Yes, only those that suit them.

None of Israelite prophets including Jesus of Nazareth (AS), with the exception of Moses (AS), brought a new law or dispensation;

Hmmmm, I dont know what these people are on, but it sure clouded their vision.

As for the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, wasnt that fulfilled at pentecost?

Jesus as came with a set of laws and spiritual force, whereby he effected a considerable reformation among his own people for a time. But, by and by the laws that were suited to the stage of society ceased to be of practical utility when found with the subsequent growth and development of that society, and the spiritual force that had wrought miracles of old, lost its efficacy and vanished. Thus arose the need for another Comforter who should bring with him a perfect law, not for a particular clan or clime but for the whole of the human race.

Well, they contradicted themselves already. Also, what is imperfect in the 2 laws, "Love God" and "Love your neighbour"? Surely they are the most perfect laws, as they totally sum up everything and what we are expected to do on this earth.....

Mohammed was just another false teacher, another imposter, just like the rest of the religions, which the WTS is teh latest in a long line of and most likely wont be the last.

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LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT NOW!

by DJ in

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i find it utterly wrong as wrong can be to make fun of someone who is claiming to have demonic occurances.

yes, this is an uncomfortable subject and many here are filled with fear when the subject even comes up.

some choose to make fun of the situation while others declare the person to be insane.. i think it is fine to believe whatever you want to believe on this subject.

logical

welcome to JWD

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Birthdays

by showme in

i have been dating a jw for about 4 months now.

i was curious about her beliefs in the beginning.

i had no idea what jw's believed.

logical

Ask her if it why Abraham had a feast for Isaac and his weaning Genesis 21:8, why is this allowed, its no different to birthdays is it? Why are weddings ok but birthdays not? Christ went to weddings.

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Public opinion on the issue of Iraq???

by Celtic in

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when prime minister tony blair was 'summoned' to camp david a couple of day's ago, he looked succinctly uncomfortable when doing a press interview with president bush.

today, the prime minister faces the tuc conference, the main agenda covering the impending war on iraq.

british public opinion is very much for the action to not take place against iraq.

logical

WHY is it fine for the US to have and use nasty weapons, but not for everyone else?

Sounds unfair to me. They are bullies and are gonna get they commupance sooner or later. The thing that upsets me is that there are many innocent who will die at the hands of this evil oppressive Western regime. Only the blind cannot see it for what it is.

BTW I dont believe Eastern ways are much better, for man can only dominate man to his injury. There are advantages to both regimes, but saying that, there are major disadvantages too. These are the ones that are played upon and exploited to control and manipulate their people.

Why do all you americans think your government is so good and high and mighty? Cant you see Hitler had the same effect on the German people, they thought Hitler was doing the right thing, propaganda and lies tricked them into this.

As for public opinion, that means nothing. We are not in a democracy. We are fooled to believe that. Recent events are total proof of that. Blair knows full well how the public feel, but does he care?

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ONE MORE ISSUE ON IRAQ

by Yerusalyim in

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hey saddam and all you peace nics!!!!!!!!!!!!.

na na da boo boo!!!!!!!!

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Saddam is manipulating the rest of the world into thinking he is some sort of Martyr. Poor Saddam!
Must we remind everyone that he is an opressive, murderous dictator who lusts for the power to control or destoy the entire region that his counry is in? Sure, a peaceful solution would be nice, but what are you supposed to do when he refuses and has been refusing for years to comply with agreements that he made to be inspected for production of weapons of mass destruction?
Ok, this does have to do with oil, but what happens when Saddam gets the kind of power over the region that he lusts for and controls much of the world's oil supply? Is that a good scenario? Furthermore, he has given the world every indication that he is an aggressor and will stop at nothing to get the power and influence that he desires.
He has murdered his own people. We have dealt with people like him before, people like a certain german dictator who tried to take over Europe in the late 30's and early 40's. They are cut from the same cloth.

Amazing how if you substitute all "Saddam" with "Bush" it makes more sense

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Public opinion on the issue of Iraq???

by Celtic in

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when prime minister tony blair was 'summoned' to camp david a couple of day's ago, he looked succinctly uncomfortable when doing a press interview with president bush.

today, the prime minister faces the tuc conference, the main agenda covering the impending war on iraq.

british public opinion is very much for the action to not take place against iraq.

logical

Why pick on Iraq? Why not pick on the countries that actually have all sorts of nasty and destructive weapons, the ones that have, will and do use them? Like... let me think....... the USA and Britain....

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A "Warning"

by AGuest in

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to those who would "hate" the wtbts to the point of wishing great harm upon them... may you have peace!

and may you permit me to share with you a sound warning from my father, the god of abraham, isaac and jacob, the holy one of israel, by means of his son and my lord, jaheshua mischajah... through holy spirit:.

"take care in your anger.

logical

I dont think she is saying be all lovey dovey towards them, she is simply saying dont hate them and dont repay them with evil. Notice how also anger wasnt condemned.

As for the dubs seeing the error of their ways, well, didnt you? Didnt many many others? And surely many more will? That they will no longer be dubs is the entire point...

I think the point has been missed by many in this thread. From what I see, it is saying anger towards the tower is natural and expected, but dont let it escalate out of control into damaging hatred.

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First Century "Parousia" of Jesus

by bjc2012 in

did you notice that paul says one "resurrection" was to occur at his "parousia," and one during the "end"?

yes, one resurrection at christ's "parousia," and one at the "end," ...one at the "end.

so, first century christians placed the second coming of christ, the second "parousia," the "return" of christ...before the "end"...much even before the "end.

logical

While I dont totally disagree with a lot of your above posts, there are 2 quite simple things you have obviously overlooked:

At least, in the mind of the inspired writer here, Paul...and evidently not in the minds of the first century Christians AT CORINTH...

You say Paul was inspired. But really, was what he wrote down scripture? Wasnt it the common practice, as it still is today, that the law wasnt to be written down on paper but on the heart?

Did Paul in his letters say outright that he was writing down scripture, as John did in Revelation, or are his letters his own thoughts and opinions on matters, which are subject to human error?

And why do we say this?
...because the Bible says so.

How do you know that what is in the Bible is actually accurate, to what was given the writers of scripture to write, and also how do you know parts havent been added to, and taken out of, the Bible by imposters and plunderers - and please dont say its not possible, the bible has been preserved etc, because we both know full well it is possible, and have discussed the evidence.

Well, we agree on one thing, all religions are bad and wrong, but I hope your still not trying to start your own religion up with MDS or whatever he is calling himself now.

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United Nations is NOT the beast

by Praetorian in

all witnesses need to sit up and take notice of this message.

the united nations is not the beast that is taked about in so many publications.

the wt has got it completely wrong.

logical

All these people / organisations who are trying to force fulfilment of prophecy, who are trying to be the fulfilment, it doesnt work like that

Are they that desperate to be part of history they have to delude themselves and others?

Edited by - logical on 14 August 2002 17:41:3

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If God Is Love...

by Windchaser in

and love is not jealous, and god is a jealous god, how can he be love?

logical

I can understand the being a jealous God thing.

Wouldnt you be pissed off if you made something you treasured, then an inferior thing tried to muscle in, and it would do no good whatsoever, leading to the destruction of what you made.

Really not comparable with jealousy in humans, re relationships etc. Besides, what does what Paul wrote down matter? He was a man and his books are simply his opinions and not scripture.