The foretold prophet was not Jesus

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  plmkrzy

  The Old Testament. According to..

  Muhammad in The Bible,

  Source: Muhammad in The Bible,
  published by Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, London, USA.

  Reproduced By: Nasir A. Jamil.
  Hypertext version: Sultan Sial

  In Deuteronomy 18:17-19, Moses (AS) prophesied:

  "And the Lord said unto me. They have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

  The foretold prophet in this prophecy was not Jesus Christ (AS), nor any other Israelite prophet, because none of them ever claimed to be the prophet promised here. We read in the Gospel of John (1:19-21) that in the time of Jesus, the Jews were expecting the advent of three prophets. Firstly Elias, secondly Christ (AS), thirdly a prophet of such universal fame that in his case no other specification was thought necessary. "The Prophet" was enough to convey what was meant. Jesus (AS) claimed to be the Christ and he regarded John the Baptist as Elias ( Matthew 11:14, 17:10-13). Further, he prophesied about his second advent in the last days when true faith would disappear from the earth ( Luke 18:8).

  Hadhrat

  Muhammad (SAW) to come before the Second Advent of Jesus (AS)

  Peter describing the time of "That Prophet" says:

  "He shall send Jesus Christ which before was preached unto you; whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, a Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you."

  ( The Acts 3:20-22)

  These words of Peter evidently imply that the advent of "that prophet" will take place before the second advent of Jesus Christ as . Jesus as pointed out in the parable of the vineyard that after him shall come the Lord of vineyard and added:

  "The kingdom of God shall be taken form you and given to a nation bringing forth fruits thereof."

  Matthew 21:43)

  Thus Jesus as has made it clear that the Prophet who was to come after him was not to be of the Israelites, but from another nation - their brethren, the Ishmaelites.

  This prophecy has been fulfilled in the person of Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW), the Holy Founder of Islam. For in the first place, he came from among the descendents of Ishmael as , the brethren of Israelites; so that the promise of God concerning Ishmael as be fulfilled: " I have blessed him... and I will make him a great nation." ( Genesis 17:20)

  Secondly, he was the prophet who came with a new law -- the law of the Quran. None of Israelite prophets including Jesus of Nazareth (AS), with the exception of Moses (AS), brought a new law or dispensation; not did any of them claim to have been like unto Moses (AS). On the other hand, it has been expressly written about Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) in the Holy Quran that he was the prophet like unto Moses (AS).

  Meanwhile back at the ranchChristians, world wide, are and have been arguing over much more important things in history

  http://www.alislam.org/library/links/Biblical_prophecy.html

  for the love of God I certainly hope SOMEBODY gets it.

  but thats waaaaay toooo much to ask.

  going to find suitable smily faces now.

  Edited by - plmkrzy on 15 September 2002 9:28:30

  Edited by - plmkrzy on 15 September 2002 12:37:1
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  logical

  The fact that all of the foregoing prophets testify to the truth of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) constitutes a yet stronger testimony to the truth of Islam and the Unity of religions.

  Haha dont you find that amusing, of course he testifies to those who preceeded him, i mean he wouldnt be a very good prophet, false or otherwise, if he didnt now would he?

  Muslims look upon the source of Bible as holy and divine and its medium as truthful men. And here is a verse of Al-Quran which confirms this statement:

  Yet if you find something in the Quran that contradicts the bible, or vice versa, they immediately say the bible is in error.....

  Of course, Muslims regard the Christian Scriptures as interpolated, but interpolation still implies retention of some original truths.

  Yes, only those that suit them.

  None of Israelite prophets including Jesus of Nazareth (AS), with the exception of Moses (AS), brought a new law or dispensation;

  Hmmmm, I dont know what these people are on, but it sure clouded their vision.

  As for the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, wasnt that fulfilled at pentecost?

  Jesus as came with a set of laws and spiritual force, whereby he effected a considerable reformation among his own people for a time. But, by and by the laws that were suited to the stage of society ceased to be of practical utility when found with the subsequent growth and development of that society, and the spiritual force that had wrought miracles of old, lost its efficacy and vanished. Thus arose the need for another Comforter who should bring with him a perfect law, not for a particular clan or clime but for the whole of the human race.

  Well, they contradicted themselves already. Also, what is imperfect in the 2 laws, "Love God" and "Love your neighbour"? Surely they are the most perfect laws, as they totally sum up everything and what we are expected to do on this earth.....

  Mohammed was just another false teacher, another imposter, just like the rest of the religions, which the WTS is teh latest in a long line of and most likely wont be the last.
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  BugParadise

  Good link with responses to Muslim claims

  http://debate.org.uk/topics/theo/home.htm
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  Jesus Christ's Commandments:

  1: Love God the Father and Jesus the Son with your whole heart, whole mind, and your whole soul.

  2: Love your neighbor (all humans) as yourself.

  3: Do to other people what you want them to do to you.

  4: Love and Pray for your enemies.

  5: "By this you will know My Disciples - If they have love among themselves."

  Hmmm, yes, just look at these "Flawed and Imperfect" Laws.

  Can't you just see, God HAD to send another Prophet to "Correct" these Laws!

  I DON'T THINK SO!

  Jesus Christ is the END and the FULFILLMENT of the LAW!
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  Acts 3:18: But the things which God announced by the mouth of all His Prophets, that Christ should suffer, He thus fulfilled.
  Acts 3:19: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, so that there may come times of refreshing from the presence of the Lord,
  Acts 3:20: and that He may send Christ Jesus, who was ordained for you before,
  Acts 3:21: whom Heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God spoke long ago by the mouth of His Holy Prophets.
  Acts 3:22: For Moses indeed said to the fathers, 'The Lord God will raise up a Prophet for you from among your brothers, like me. You shall listen to Him in all things whatever He says to you.
  Acts 3:23: It will be, that every soul that will not listen to that Prophet will be utterly destroyed from among the people.'
  Acts 3:24: Yes, and all the Prophets from Samuel and those who followed after, as many as have spoken, they also told of these days.
  Acts 3:25: You are the children of the Prophets, and of the Covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'In your Seed will all the families of the Earth be blessed.'
  Acts 3:26: God, having raised up His Servant, Jesus, sent Him to you first, to bless you, in turning away everyone of you from your wickedness."

  I personally, think that it is pretty obvious that The Prophet being spoken of was Jesus Christ, compare Acts 3:22 and Acts 3:26.
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  Also, which Scripture is Jesus referring to in this Verse:

  John 5:46: For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
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  plmkrzy

  BugParadise yes it is a good link. I've been checking it out. Thanks for posting it.

  The Qur'an treats Jesus as a very important figure. It gives him a greater number of honourable titles than any other figure in the past. It calls him a 'sign', a 'mercy', a 'witness', an 'example' one who is upright, one who is eminent, and 'one brought nigh unto God' . It gives him the titles Messiah, Son of Mary, Messenger, Prophet, Servant, Word of God, and a Spirit from God (Parrinder 1977 p. 16). He is the only prophet to have been born of a virgin and he did the greatest miracles of all the prophets. Jesus is also referred to in ninety verses scattered in 15 surahs in the Qur'an. Yet for all of this respect, the Qur'an denies Christ his identity as the Saviour and Lord of mankind. The Qur'an presents a very well defined idea of prophethood and then applies this role of prophet to Jesus and most of the other major Old Testament figures. It is the idea of prophethood it applies mostly to Muhammad, and this idea is then read back to all major prophetic figures in the past.

  The Crucifixion

  The Jesus of the Qur'an did not die on the cross. Surah 4:157,158 says,

  And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus Son of Mary, Allah's messenger--They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! Those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain, But Allah took him up unto Himself....

  The normal explanation is that God put someone else on the cross and took Jesus to heaven. Judas is probably the most suggested person for who died in Jesus' place. No historical evidence is given. It is believed because the Qur'an states it as the truth.

  Edited by - plmkrzy on 16 September 2002 1:42:29
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  JESUS CHRIST is much, much, Much, MUCH more than a Prophet!

  Check out this Thread to see Scriptures that show that Christ was WORSHIPED, PRAYED TO, and called GOD ALMIGHTY: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36024&site=3

  Also, here are some of the Names and Titles that Christ our Lord was called, to show that He is MORE than a Prophet:

  Lord God Almighty (Revelation 1:8)
  The Alpha and The Omega (Revelation 1:8; Revelation 22:13)
  God (John 1:1; John 20:28; Isaiah 9:6; Romans 9:5)
  Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH (Jeremiah 23:6)
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  plmkrzy

  Of course, Muslims regard the Christian Scriptures as interpolated, but interpolation still implies retention of some original truths.

  for example:

  Arabia is the land of the Promised One

  A third prophecy is:

  "The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companions of Dedanim. The inhabitants of the Land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him they fled. For they fled form the swords, from the drawn swords and from the bent bow, from the grievousness of war. For thus hath the Lord said unto me, within a year, according to the years of a hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail; And the residue of number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall diminished: for the Lord God of Israel hath spoken it."

  ( Isaiah 21:13-17)

  The first point to bear in mind in connection with this prophecy is that Arabia is the scene of the Prophecy. This is most significant. Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) appeared in Arabia.

  Secondly, the prophecy speaks of "Him that fled". The flight of Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) is momentous event in the history of the world. It is upon the flight of Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) from Mecca that the Muslim calendar begins.

  Thirdly, "fled from drawn swords" conclusively proves the fulfillment of the prophecy in Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) who fled from Mecca when his house was surrounded by his deadly enemies who stood there, drawn swords in had, thirsty for his blood.

  Fourthly, another clear testimony in favor of Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) is found in: "within a year... all the glory of Kedar will fail... the mighty men of Kedar shall diminish." This was fulfilled in the battle of Badr which occurred within a year from the flight of Muhammad, and in which battle, the Quraish of Mecca (Kedar) sustained a crushing defeat; most of their mighty men fell.

  Rev. C. Forster locates the Kedar in Hedjaz and identifies them with Koraish. See: The Historical Geography of Arabia by Rev. C. Forster, pp. 244-265.

  The Name Muhammad Mentioned in the Bible

  There is an important prophecy in the Song of Solomon (5:9-16). In this prophecy, the one who is spoken of here is the beloved of God. One of the titles of Hadhrat Muhammad saw is Habibullah -- the beloved one of God. Secondly: "My beloved is white and ruddy". This was the color of Hadhrat Muhammad saw , Thirdly, "Chiefest among then thousands". We have already shown that Hadhrat Muhammad saw was at the head of ten thousand f ollowers at the time of the conquest of Mecca. The fourth and most striking point in this prophecy is the name of Hadhrat Muhammad saw in verse 16. It reads:

  "Yea, he is altogether lovely" in English Bible.

  In the Hebrew Bible, the word is "Muhammad-im".

  See Hebrew Bible printed for the British and Foreign Bible Society by Trowitzsch & Sons, Berlin, P. 1159.

  Edited by - plmkrzy on 16 September 2002 2:18:41
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  Just to help out with everyone's studies:

  Song of Solomon 5:9: What is your Beloved more than another beloved, most beautiful among women? What is your Beloved more than another beloved, that you adjure us so?
  Song of Solomon 5:10: My Beloved is bright and ruddy, standing out among ten thousand.
  Song of Solomon 5:11: His head is like refined gold; His locks are bushy and black as a raven.
  Song of Solomon 5:12: His eyes are as the eyes of doves on the rivers of waters, washed with milk, sitting on a setting.
  Song of Solomon 5:13: His cheeks are like a bed of spices, a raised bed of aromatic herbs. His lips are like lilies dropping flowing myrrh.
  Song of Solomon 5:14: His hands are like rings of gold filled with jewels; His body an ivory plate overlaid with sapphires.
  Song of Solomon 5:15: His legs are like pillars of marble founded on bases of fine gold; His appearance is like Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.
  Song of Solomon 5:16: His mouth is most sweet, and He is altogether lovely. This is my Beloved, and this is my Friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.