I had to sit through the Walk by faith, not by sight DVD today. Did Christians have foreknowledge of Jerusalem's destruction? Vidqun's quotes from Eusebius are interesting, but alas they are subject to bias.
Are there any other sources?
in the form of a prediction, that can be proven to truly be a prediction,i.e written before the event, and it came true ?.
it would be good not to have time wasters on this thread in the form of the common ones that are brought up to demonstrate the bible's prophetic prowess, like cyrus being named , these have been debunked already.. but does there seem to be a genuine prophecy in there somewhere ?.
I had to sit through the Walk by faith, not by sight DVD today. Did Christians have foreknowledge of Jerusalem's destruction? Vidqun's quotes from Eusebius are interesting, but alas they are subject to bias.
Are there any other sources?
the recovering thinker.
hi, my name is bob, and i am a recovering thinker..... it started out innocently enough: i began thinking at meetings now and then to loosen up.
inevitably though, one thought led to another and soon i was more than just a theocratic thinker.
Lulz, hilarious! Thank you!
jesus said that the true religion would be evident in the lives of the people who practice it.
by their fruits you will recognize them, he said.
every good tree produces fine fruit.
That's like asking how to identify which super-power will get me to work faster, Flash's running speed or Superman's flying speed.
what the bible "says" isn't religion or doctrine or belief.. interpretation is.. proved how?.
there is not just one christian church.. ask yourself "why?".
here is a logic puzzle easily solved!.
Loving your neighbour as yourself is one of those things that you don’t need a great deal of intelligence to comprehend, hence the simplicity and superiority of the Christian message. -apostatethunder
I appreciate the sentiment. However, what it means to "do good" varies from person to person, culture to culture, etc. As an example, JW's think that by recommending others to avoid higher education, they are loving their neighbors as themselves, when in certain cases they may be hurting them! What's that saying, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"?
let's assume, as most of you probably believe, that the anointed christians are not the fds.
if the anointed are not the fds, who are?.
I know this is stupid, but I'll give it a stab. Ok. Let's assume the interpretation is correct.
Matthew 24:45-51
45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I don't understand how the "faithful and wise servant" can also be the "domestics", according to JW interpretation. Can you explain that to me?
today is my first anniversary as a jwn member.
it's hard to believe that only a year has passed since i joined, but i feel that's a testament to how much i have been welcomed and made to feel like part of the furniture.. i would very much like to take this opportunity to thank everyone on the forum for the immense help and assistance i have received, particularly in my first few weeks/months of posting.
it truly was a lifeline at a very distressing time for me.
No, thank you for your efforts, Cedars. Happy anniversary!
i am looking for anything that suggests there is a rational explaination for daniel apparently predicting the rise of greece as a world power.
there is some stuff online suggesting that scholars years ago thought it was modified over time but evidence points to it having been written in the 6th centuary bc and they have been forced to correct their view.. is there anything anywhere that presents the accepted secular view of this passage?.
cheers.
The book correctly predicts the restoration of the Temple in approximately the correct length of time (3 1/2 years instead of 3), which was something that Josephus found impressive. - Leolaia
Interesting. In your opinion, does this grant it divine providence, or is there another explanation? Considering all the mishmash of ideas and re-interpretations that Daniel holds, it wouldn't seem likely, but still.... there is always that possibility for me.
introduction: in the beginning.
how it all started.
read this chapter.... know your ngos!.
Ad-hominem and straw-man detected!
Consider the Source
One crackpot has spent thousands of dollars sending letters to the elders of every congregation in the USA, some in the UK, and all the branch offices to tell them about the NGO “apostasy”. You won‘t believe the story behind this deluded man who think‘s he's a prophet of God. Read this chapter...
i am looking for anything that suggests there is a rational explaination for daniel apparently predicting the rise of greece as a world power.
there is some stuff online suggesting that scholars years ago thought it was modified over time but evidence points to it having been written in the 6th centuary bc and they have been forced to correct their view.. is there anything anywhere that presents the accepted secular view of this passage?.
cheers.
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4874-daniel-book-of
My question about Daniel is that it predicted the Roman Empire? Would that be evidence of prophecy fulfilled?
thoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
Perhaps it would be better if we listened to binadub describe his beliefs, as opposed to the terms he's using.
By definition ID is nothing more than belief that the unknown original cause of creation was by a supreme intelligent agent. I happen to believe that. I do not believe in "creationism" as it is defined.
Ok binadub, you do not believe in Creationism. Rather, you seem to believe in a deity that was the first cause that set into motion the universe. Apart from that, he has not/will not interfere with his creation, for lack of a better term.
Your belief is compatible with Deism, and it in no way interferes with science. There are still so many unknowns to be discovered.