just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
So if my Govt tells me if I walk out of my gate, I will be shot on sight . . . I still have free-will.
Strawman. You don't take into account the ability to change things. There are other alternatives. You can break the rules and somehow get away with it.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
If it is possible to know the future then we have a deterministic universe where quantum fluctuations will happen according to the starting conditions of the universe and are playing out exactly as planned/ordered. Humans are a fairly miniscule and irrelevant part of that deterministic universe and are a slave tothat determinism. With regard to the past our present fixes it into set deterministic state, what was must have been for now to be. - Qcmbr
But Qcmbr, aren't quantum fluctuations random? It's kind of like the butterfly effect, so that even though you begin the same, any miniscule change has an extraordinary effect on the final outcome.
they sure know how to do weird entertainment in that country!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7n5ohnpled4.
Meh, I had it up first...
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/humour/242798/1/Just-thought-Id-share-sure-made-me-laugh
it was a number of years after i left the watchtower that i finally admitted to myself that i had never really investigated evolution.. i thought i was already an expert on the subject despite everything i knew about it coming form a source that was attacking the theory.
when i began to reserch evolution objectively i was astonished by the breadth an depth of the evidence.
i have been reading books and articles on the subject for around ten years now and always find it to be fascinating and inspiring.. a couple of years ago i began to write a summary of dawkin's book on the jws forum with the intention of helping any lurking jws who could not dare be seen reading the book for themselves.
Cofty, do you think the experiments such as the Lenski experiment you mentioned above could ever yield the result of, say, producing a multi-cellular organism out of the bacteria?
i mean no disrepsect to lars,but i find it real hard to believe that someone really believes there christ..
Londo, omg, that was HILARIOUS!
i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.
i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.
therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.
If the WT reversed it's stance about 607 tomorrow, would you fight just as hard to push their "new" understanding? - Christ Alone
I think an equally valid question is what if they revised their stance on anything? The JWs have already swallowed up the FDS=GB hook, line, and sinker.
i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.
they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.
much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.
Let's remember, too, that Recovery stated in one of his threads that in the following months we would be inundated with JW apologists.
Change Name, if you are sincere, a question for you. What makes you so sure Christianity, and now specifically JWs, are the 'truth'? You don't find the myriad of religions out there precisely evidence against a caring God? Why would God allow truth to get muddled and confused?
i know certain apologists might rub us the wrong way, but let's not treat them like their pieces of sh*t.. and i know certain posters might rub us the wrong way, but let's not be so quick to beat everybody down that's not of our same reasoning.. just saying..
Of course it's possible someone innocent gets canned. Hey, guess what, it happens. Attitude is a big factor here. If you come here being confrontational and with illusions of superiority, you will get the boot.
i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.
they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.
much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.
i've stumbled across a most creative artful photography, placing jesus in contemporary scenarios.. http://www.thejourneysproject.com/c-294-fine-christian-art.aspx.
for a mere $1,000 i too, could have jesus working his makeover in my bedroom.
ooh, la la.. i am having strong and mixed reactions to this work, and i welcome your input..
Meh.... Christian art had it's place for centuries. I like classics, but it's time for the future.
This, I didn't really find appealing at all. No apologies.
