hey all.
what do you guys think about the issue of universal sovereignty?
that was one of the doctrines i thought i would never doubt in, but looking into it more, there are a lot of holes in it.
Maybe it was mass slaughter of others, but it wasn't good and He knew it. When we see something will go terribly wrong with our kids actions we intervene.
That's not a good explanation, IMO. Then what of all the other mass slaughters throughout history? Where was the intervention then?
besides the obvious fact that it is historically ridiculous - can anybody make any sense out of this story?.
god was somehow afraid that man was developing too much technology?
just because they were building a tower?.
My topic was first....
I guess great minds think alike
hey all.
what do you guys think about the issue of universal sovereignty?
that was one of the doctrines i thought i would never doubt in, but looking into it more, there are a lot of holes in it.
What's up with that is that it is not about universal sovereignty.
If it were, then He would have left the Israelites to Pharoah. Instead God intervened on behalf of those who belong to Him.
Peace,
tammy
In your opinion then, what is the reason Adam and Eve were allowed to live, if not for Universal Sovereignty?
hey all.
what do you guys think about the issue of universal sovereignty?
that was one of the doctrines i thought i would never doubt in, but looking into it more, there are a lot of holes in it.
Hmmm... Let's see.... Take the Roman Empire for example. Started off as a Republic, became and Empire and ended in civil war and invasions from the barbarians. You say that God has allowed humans to prove their worth as rulers? In this modern age, do you think that humans have proved to be worthy rulers? Consider Rwanda. Frankly speaking, history of humankind has been just a repeat of the same old screwups. What do you think??
I think humans would've had a fighting chance without certain impediments. The very impediments I argue about.
Genesis 11:5-7 5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Again, more interference. Jehovah wasn't satisfied with humans doing their thing, trying to answer the question posed in Eden. They seemed to be prospering, but down he swoops and destroys their progress.
hey all.
what do you guys think about the issue of universal sovereignty?
that was one of the doctrines i thought i would never doubt in, but looking into it more, there are a lot of holes in it.
Froma purely biblical perspective, the Tower of Babel shows that God is not just watching to see who can rule better.
Exactly. That's the whole point. He intervenes and sabotages human rule. What's up with that?
hey all.
what do you guys think about the issue of universal sovereignty?
that was one of the doctrines i thought i would never doubt in, but looking into it more, there are a lot of holes in it.
Vanyel, in your opinion, has God allowed humans to prove their worth as rulers?
hi everyone, i would like to introduce myself and tell my story.
from the standpoint of being one of jehovahs witnesses, my whole family is deeply involved as i was the 5th generation of witness and any children that my brothers or sister have will be the sixth generation.
as some of my brothers and sisters are grandparents, i guess that makes their grandchildren a potential 7th generation.
It was a long read, but certainly worth it. I recommend you allow JWfacts post it on his website to help others, if you aren't currently worried about your identity. These bio threads tend to get lost in the endless sand of new threads, and having it on a "fixed" site would help a bunch.
hey all.
what do you guys think about the issue of universal sovereignty?
that was one of the doctrines i thought i would never doubt in, but looking into it more, there are a lot of holes in it.
Imperfection (with ensuing disease and death) - Maybe, maybe not. For example, if you had a good job with benefits and then quit, you really couldn't blame your former company for your current lack of benefits. From your former company's point of view, you've now taken responsibility for that.
Point taken. Good illustration.
I know not everybody on this board believes in God or the God of the Bible or even the same things about that God. But in order to have a discussion about this issue, you would have to assume a few things about God. For example, he would have to exist, otherwise the issue would be moot.
It's ok. I'm willing to work under certain assumptions.
An account to look into is the Tower of Babel. God interferes with humanity's progress. From the other Discussion Board:
Genesis 11:5-7 5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Again, more interference. Jehovah wasn't satisfied with humans doing their thing, trying to answer the question posed in Eden. They seemed to be prospering, but down he swoops and destroys their progress.
hey all.
what do you guys think about the issue of universal sovereignty?
that was one of the doctrines i thought i would never doubt in, but looking into it more, there are a lot of holes in it.
Black Sheep, I'm merely getting people's takes on this particular doctrine. Even if you took the JW interpretation to be true, there are problems with it, is all I'm saying.
just wondering if anyone knows if there will be any earth shattering information at it or will it just be a rehash of the same old nonsense..
Snore fest. Jgnat's observations are spot on. It's the same crap of every year; preach more, pioneer more, go along with everything the elders say or Jehovah will be sad and retire his spirit, etc.
Those damn baptism questions (dedication to an organization).... why didn't I ever notice?
They had this poor old Bethelite 80-something-year old pray that the aging Governing Body be given blessings by Jehovah to continue doing their arduous work.
