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  Pedophilia and the FDS

  by LoneWolf in

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  2. scandals

  as you may know, there are ones at the top of the organization that stand accused of pedophilia, etc.

  as i remember, both greenlees and chitty have been exposed as such.. now there are accusations that ted jaracz is also.. ask yourself something: how did jaracz get to be at the top of a "christian" organization when almost nothing about his personality reflects anything that is christian?

  which of the fruitages of the spirit could you associate with his conduct?.

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  Metatron ---

  You are absolutely correct, anyone can make an accusation. I too am well aware of that and like to make the same allowances as you mention.

  The trouble with this situation is that there have been so many dispicable things happening lately that absolutely nothing would surprise me about them any more. Sometimes it's best to be prepared for the unthinkable. One can do that and yet still not "convict" them in that sense.

  Instead, my inclination is to examine everything with a cold, hard examination and refuse to take anything they have to say without verification. They deserve no trust whatsoever. This includes even those (at the top) who are probably innocent, for most of them have deliberately closed their eyes to the wrongdoing of others for the sake of peace, and/or in an attempt to save their own hides. Then again there are those who are not strong enough to face the hard truth that their "shepherds" are really wolves in sheep's clothing.

  All three of these alternatives are matters that contraindicate any trust in them, individually or collectively. I can see and feel strongly in the latter two circumstances that forgiveness and consideration can be called for, for who of us are without guilt in these departments in one way or another? But trust is another matter. First they would have to prove that they have faced the truth squarely and not allowed the fear of man to affect their decisions.

  I view this whole situation as being much like the time the Nation of Israel was supposed to go into the Promised Land. They sent out the 12 spies and only two of them came back with a favorable report. The whole nation chickened out, and the punishment was that ALL males 30 and over (except Joshua and Caleb) were condemned to die in the Wilderness. Why, in view of the fact that the decision was made by the leaders of the nation? It's because they all, right down to the lowliest shephard, had the responsibility to speak up. Due to the fear of man, they didn't.

  The same principle holds true here. They loved the glamour and prestige of being of an elite class, but shirked the responsibility that goes with it.

  I think that you are right, I do need to read C of C. I was of the impression that much of Ray's situation occurred before Jaracz's tenure. Apparently I'm wrong.

  But you are too in one sense. One doesn't need to belong to a body of elders to be very familiar with the tactics of assertive men. I turned down a position during the original meetings set up to establish the elder arrangement as they wanted to bend a few rules in order to get it. After that there was an unending series of elders who wanted me to "reach out", but first I had to acknowledge the "pecking order". None were ever able to establish it, for every time they tried, I ended up on top.

  Thanks for your comments. I appreciated them.

  LoneWolf
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  Pedophilia and the FDS

  by LoneWolf in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as you may know, there are ones at the top of the organization that stand accused of pedophilia, etc.

  as i remember, both greenlees and chitty have been exposed as such.. now there are accusations that ted jaracz is also.. ask yourself something: how did jaracz get to be at the top of a "christian" organization when almost nothing about his personality reflects anything that is christian?

  which of the fruitages of the spirit could you associate with his conduct?.

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  LoneWolf

  As you may know, there are ones at the top of the Organization that stand accused of pedophilia, etc. As I remember, both Greenlees and Chitty have been exposed as such.

  Now there are accusations that Ted Jaracz is also.

  Ask yourself something: How did Jaracz get to be at the top of a "christian" organization when almost nothing about his personality reflects anything that is christian? Which of the fruitages of the spirit could you associate with his conduct?

  Men who are guilty of such wickedness (pedophilia) would be unable to trust anyone other than others who are guilty of the same conduct, and that sort of bond would be extremely tight, though not necessarity close. The reason is simple: If one goes down, they all do.

  I have no proof at all of the thoughts that I am expressing here. However, such a scenario would explain some things:

  Why were the two aforementioned men not disfellowshipped, at least? Apparently the only reason any action at all was taken is that it became known. That being the case, the leaders would have to do something before their whole edifice was exposed. Yet they wouldn't dare do too much, as those offenders would have the power to do that exposing. Ergo, the slaps on the wrists.

  Secondly, it would explain the lenience and tolerance of the pedophiles within the congregations.

  Now, it would not be necessary for all officials at the top to be in on such things, but for those who were, there would be certain things that could be expected of them, when looked at from a profiling standpoint.

  We would expect them to form a clique that is secretive, paranoid, and extremely hard for someone on the outside to approach. There may be conflict within, but even if one hates another, he will go to drastic lengths to protect him.

  We should find that their personalities are egomanical. They would view everyone else as mere fodder for them to enjoy. Little if any of their conduct towards those on the outside would reflect any form of christianity or christian values. Lying and the destruction of innocent people would mean nothing to them.

  They should be obsessed with power and authority. They would not brook any questioning of either. After all, it is herein their safety lies.

  They would be masters at leading a double life.

  Again, I have no proof that such a clique exists. However, I would strongly advise that people walk softly and carry a big stick until we know for sure.

  I've long wondered what it is that Jaracz has over the rest of the FDS that would make them agreeable to the crap he pulls.

  Tom Howell

  Alias: LoneWolf
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  Angry Kids

  by LongHauler in

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  all right, obviously i'm a little new here so bear with me.

  just out of curiosity, has anyone here that was raised as a jay-dub felt resentment or anger or animosity toward thier parents?

  i wanted nothing to do with the cult even at a fairly early age, but would a person feel that way if they had believed as a teen?

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  LoneWolf

  Thanks for the answer. Next time you're out this way give me a hollar. Maybe we can have a lunch together or something.

  I live on I-5 just south of Eugene (Cottage Grove). My email is open, or if you're taking notes , my phone is (541) 946-1231.

  LoneWolf
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  Can we still be friends, if I disagree with you?

  by Mulan in

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  let's talk about this.. i have lots of friends on this board.

  so..........can we still be friends, if i disagree with you?

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  Of course! I can't learn anything from those that agree with me all the time.

  LoneWolf
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  Lyingeyes, Native American Indian

  by Guest 77 in

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  2. friends

  lyingeyes, i read your post to d.r.

  and you mentioned that your ancestors are native american indians.

  what nation?.

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  HI, Danny,

  Your answer kind of puzzles me. What you say is true, but isn't that the exact thing that the legend is pointing out? Note the last two paragraphs:

  "How soon they had forgotten what Creator had told them! They believed that they had the only One Truth and that somehow everyone else had been fools. They became defenders of their truth. And they fought for their truth. And one day they began to kill for their truth.

  "They had forgotten what Creator had told them about sharing and about listening and about coming together. That is why people still fight today. And so my gift to you all, is to share the Truth of the Light that lives within me, and as I tell this story, I stretch out my hand to you, in the hopes that you will tell me your family stories, and that soon together we can all be at peace."

  Your point, that "truth" strongly defended is the cause of most of the world's woes, seems to me to be the one of the reasons for the tale in the first place, then in the last paragraph is the beautiful admonition that we should be willing to listen to each other and try to understand.

  But perhaps I misunderstand where you're coming from?

  LoneWolf
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  Lyingeyes, Native American Indian

  by Guest 77 in

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  lyingeyes, i read your post to d.r.

  and you mentioned that your ancestors are native american indians.

  what nation?.

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  LOL. Those Cherokees got around, didn't they? Both my wife and I have

  some of that blood.

   Actually, though, they didn't have an alphabet until the 1820's. 

  Sequoya and his work is a fascinating study in dignity and integrity. 

  He was some man! Yes, the Sequoia trees are named after him.

   My daughter married into another tribe. Her husband is half Mescalero

  Apache. He is a recognized "story teller" for the tribe in their

  pow-wows. He told me one of their legends and I taped it as it

  demonstrated a remarkable level of wisdom. Sure, we can discredit

  the thought that we originated in the center of the earth, but they had

  no way to know that back then. I found the rest of it highly unusual

  and something worth paying attention to.

   Here it is, in his words:

   THE ORIGIN OF STRIFE

   "Long time ago, in a time before time, when men and women lived deep in

  the center of the earth in the Point of Origin, there they lived with

  Creator, and they were learning all that they needed to know.

   "Soon the time came for people to go out into the new world that Creator

  was making. Creator brought everyone to the Counsel Fire, and told them

  of Creators plan. You will go off, each of you in your tribes and in

  your bands, and you will go off to the four corners of the earth; to the

  north, to the south, to the east, and to the west, and with you, you

  will take the Truth of the Light and of the Fire. You are to be

  caretakers of this truth and this light. As you travel and as you

  journey, and when you meet others like you, you will take your truth

  and you will share it with the people that you meet along the way, for

  when you are able to share your truth with other people, and when you

  are able to listen to the truth that lives in anothers heart, I will

  again be with you, and all will be at peace.

   "So the Truth was divided and given to the different tribes and the

  different bands, and so the different tribes and the different bands

  emerged from the Point of Origin and stretched out across the new world

  and traveled great distances to the north and to the south and to the

  east and to the west and for many people it was a long, hard journey,

  and it had been a long time since they had seen anyone else from the

  Point of Origin. They grew lonely, and from their loneliness came anger.

   "How soon they had forgotten what Creator had told them! They believed

  that they had the only One Truth and that somehow everyone else had been

  fools. They became defenders of their truth. And they fought for their

  truth. And one day they began to kill for their truth.

   "They had forgotten what Creator had told them about sharing and about

  listening and about coming together. That is why people still fight

  today. And so my gift to you all, is to share the Truth of the Light

  that lives within me, and as I tell this story, I stretch out my hand

  to you, in the hopes that you will tell me your family stories, and

  that soon together we can all be at peace."

   That we all could have such wisdom, eh, what?

  LoneWolf 
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  unconditional my ass

  by SPAZnik in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is with this *unconditional love* crap?.

  when someone demands *unconditional love*, is that not a condition in and of itself?.

  in my experience, the people who demand *unconditional* anything,.

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  SPAZnik --- Couldn't agree more, nor could I have expressed it better.

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  Angry Kids

  by LongHauler in

  1. social
  2. family

  all right, obviously i'm a little new here so bear with me.

  just out of curiosity, has anyone here that was raised as a jay-dub felt resentment or anger or animosity toward thier parents?

  i wanted nothing to do with the cult even at a fairly early age, but would a person feel that way if they had believed as a teen?

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  'Lo, Driver.

  I was raised in it too, fourth generation. That goes waaaay back.

  No, I can't say that I really had any resentment towards them, as in many ways they too were victimized by the circumstances. I've seen the persecution that Dad took and Mom was kicked out of school for not saluting the flag. (1930's) They did their best with what they knew and that is really all that I can ask of them and be fair.

  Like Engishman, though, I can get ornery when they ignore my wishes and try to force their will upon me anyway.

  How long have you been driving? I have well over a million miles in most everything from dry vans and reefers to 28 and 30 wheel A and B train flat beds. I used to haul loads of haz-mat resin over the Oregon passes into Eastern Oregon weighing 105,500, rain, snow, or whatever. I quit that as I got tired of chaining up that much. Am driving local now. Mostly possum belly chip trucks.

  Max weight now is SUPPOSED to be 88,500. Ever get out Oregon way?

  LoneWolf
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  Jail for Shunned JW. Hoaxer

  by Kenneson in

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  2. friends

  title of article is: "hoax suspect gets jail sentence".

  "forcellina is italian-american, and has been a jehovah's witness since he was a child, said his lawyer, federal public defender terence ward.

  since his arrest, forcellina has been formally shunned by jehovah's witnesses...forcellina ha spoken before 30,000 people at a religious rally in shea stadium...".

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  That site now has the next day's news up on it, but you can still get to the article by typing "Forcellina" into the search box.

  LoneWolf
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  to my master, Know_You

  by wasasister in

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  2. friends

  my dear know_you: .

  having been moved by your recent posts, i find myself terrified by my precarious position as one associated with scurrilous apostate scum.

  i have supped at the table of demons, cavorted with the devious likes of farkle, alanf, seven006, ginnytosken, and others of their ilk.

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  unclebruce ---

  Am truly sorry to hear of your recent troubles and I hope they turn out better soon. My wife came down with diabetes type2 about two years ago and it is giving her problems too. I love that girl dearly. It's been forty-two good years so far, and I'd like to extend that streak a few thousand more.

  Keep your chin up my friend and don't let these things get you down.

  LoneWolf