Posts by pharmer

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Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

by TimothyT in

one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

am i missing something here!?!?

pharmer

they get to 'choose' the sense they feel comfortable addressing while avoiding the sense they wish to avoid (for whatever reason--I'm not here to accuse). :) I often times see this happening amongst children, where they really do know the main point of an issue is correct and valid, but for different reasons they still choose to argue.

I wrote the above quote; another poster wrote:

What I am not is 14 years old.

Yet it seems they still argue like one. ( they really do know the main point of an issue is correct and valid, but for different reasons they still choose to argue. )

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Classic Doublespeak--- "You must do your own thinking; let the WTS tell you how"

by pharmer in

education teaches you how to think.propagandists tell you what to think.true educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion.

propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.many times their true motives are hidden.

they sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others.

pharmer

At the same time, it must be admitted that we need good and proper guidance

...i.e., do your own thinking, BUT, you must admit, you need the organization to direct your minds.

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Classic Doublespeak--- "You must do your own thinking; let the WTS tell you how"

by pharmer in

education teaches you how to think.propagandists tell you what to think.true educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion.

propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion.many times their true motives are hidden.

they sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others.

pharmer

*** g788/22p.3DoOthersDoYourThinking?***

EDUCATION teaches you how to think. Propagandists tell you what to think. True educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion . Propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion. Many times their true motives are hidden. They sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others. They distort and twist facts, specialize in lies and half-truths.

*** g788/22p.4DoOthersDoYourThinking?***

What AboutYou?

Proverbs 14:15 states: “ A simple man believes every word he hears; a clever man understands the need for proof.” (TheNewEnglishBible)

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Whatever you read or watch or listen to, test whether it is propaganda or whether it is the truth. “The god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,” that they might not know the vital truths of our time. What about you? Will you let others think for you, or will you do your own thinking? Do your own, and “thinking ability itself will keep guard over you.” At the same time, it must be admitted that we need good and proper guidance

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Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

by TimothyT in

one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

am i missing something here!?!?

pharmer

they get to 'choose' the sense they feel comfortable addressing while avoiding the sense they wish to avoid (for whatever reason--I'm not here to accuse). :) I often times see this happening amongst children, where they really do know the main point of an issue is correct and valid, but for different reasons they still choose to argue.
...once again.
Also, found this gem...I think it applies at the moment:
*** g788/22p.3DoOthersDoYourThinking?***
Tricks ofPropagandists
Symbols stir feelings. Words such as mother, home, justice, freedom—all pack a wallop for the heart. Slogans are catchy and seem to be packed with wisdom. Favorable facts are exaggerated; the others are distorted or concealed. Oratory often substitutes for sound argument, and it diverts attention from unpleasant truths that cannot be concealed. Burn a building in one place while robbing a grocery store somewhere else, is the technique.
or·a·to·ry
n.
1. The art of public speaking.
2. Eloquence or skill in making speeches to the public.
3. Public speaking marked by the use of overblown rhetoric.

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Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

by mrbunyrabit in

i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

pharmer

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Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

by TimothyT in

one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

am i missing something here!?!?

pharmer

@Leeca, Djeggnog replied to your comment by saying, "I really don't know how to answer your question, except to say that Jehovah's Witnesses are not known as the religion that doesn't accept blood transfusions. This is your view."

I just wanted to let you know that I thought they were known for that too (and obviously we are not alone in that view), and although djeggnog is technically correct in one sense (that it is your view as it is others'), he is incorrect in another sense (to say they are not known as the religion that doesn't accept blood transfusions). How can I say that with any authority? Because their own organization makes it known, and if an organization 'makes it known' that they don't accept blood transfusions, well then by golly, they are known for it. :) What djeggnog has done in his response(s) to you (as if you didn't already know) is, he has presented a half-truth or partial-truth as if it were a whole-truth or fact, which isn't too difficult to discern. When people use that approach (as djeggnog has done quite effectively) they get to 'choose' the sense they feel comfortable addressing while avoiding the sense they wish to avoid (for whatever reason--I'm not here to accuse). :) I often times see this happening amongst children, where they really do know the main point of an issue is correct and valid, but for different reasons they still choose to argue.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm

“Jehovah’s Witnesses—Who Are They? What Do They Believe?”

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“WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BELIEVE”

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“Taking blood into body through mouth or veins violates God's laws”

“Jehovah’s Witnesses—Who Are They? What Do They Believe?”

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“WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BELIEVE”

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“Taking blood into body through mouth or veins violates God's laws”

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Watchtower doctrine that kills Jehovahs Witnesses

by Marvin Shilmer in

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friends

watchtower doctrine that kills jehovahs witnesses.

today i added a new article to my blog detailing a particularly damnable choice watchtower doctrine presents to jehovahs witnesses.

my article is titled watchtower doctrine that kills jehovahs witnesses and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/02/watchtower-doctrine-that-kills-jehovahs.html.

pharmer

Marvin Shilmer, thank you so much for what you do!

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Does WT do this on purpose or are they just out of ideas? 2012 Special Talk

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

the 2012 special talk is "is it later than you think?".

the outline can be found at this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/221623/1/anyone-have-the-outline-for-the-2012-special-talk.

at that above link, you can also see the october 8, 1968 awake cover that uses that exact same title.

pharmer

Isn't this interesting? A District Assembly talk from 1949 with a slight variation.

2/1 1950 Watchtower

*** w502/1pp.44-45DistrictAssembliesof1949inManyLands***

Five such assemblies were held under the oversight of the British Branch office, at Blackpool, Brighton, Dundee, Belfast and Leicester. From the industrial centers of the north of England the witnesses trekked to the seashore and Blackpool, for the district assembly there June 10-12. So thoroughly did the intensive advertising of the public talk “ It Is Later than You Think!” catch on that when the prime minister was late to a social function one of the waiters remarked: “Someone should tell him that it is later than he thinks.” Saturday sessions were attended by 3,100, on Sunday 6,000 turned out for the public talk, and 177 were immersed.

Hmmm…from “It Is!” to “Is It?”

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Does WT do this on purpose or are they just out of ideas? 2012 Special Talk

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

the 2012 special talk is "is it later than you think?".

the outline can be found at this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/221623/1/anyone-have-the-outline-for-the-2012-special-talk.

at that above link, you can also see the october 8, 1968 awake cover that uses that exact same title.

pharmer

From the 1/22 1997 Awake!

*** g971/22p.24“WhenIAmWeak,ThenIAmPowerful”***

One evening my husband and I were discussing how there had to be more to life than eating and sleeping and working so hard. We started searching for the spirituality that was missing in our lives. We turned our attention to a little church down the street, but we did not find the spiritual uplift we had hoped for. The church members talked mostly about their local problems.

The Witness who brought the magazines had been coming by for about a year, but my routine did not change until I finally read the October 8, 1968, issue of Awake!, entitled “Is It Later Than You Think?” I liked what I read, and happily, it affected my husband in the same way. We began studying and absorbing the truth like sponges. We couldn’t get enough of all the wonderful things we were learning. In 1969 we were baptized.

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Does WT do this on purpose or are they just out of ideas? 2012 Special Talk

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

the 2012 special talk is "is it later than you think?".

the outline can be found at this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/221623/1/anyone-have-the-outline-for-the-2012-special-talk.

at that above link, you can also see the october 8, 1968 awake cover that uses that exact same title.

pharmer

From the 11/22 1983 Awake!

*** g8311/22p.25MySearchforRealHappiness***

Early in 1970 my cousin Larry began speaking to me about the Bible. What he had to say was interesting. I had heard something of the Bible’s message from his father, my uncle. Back in 1966 I had also attended some meetings at a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses. When Larry told me that the present world system of things will soon be brought to an end, I thought he had “flipped out.” “Would I like to study the Bible with him?” I accepted out of curiosity. We studied several times and I attended some meetings at the Kingdom Hall, but I found it easier to slide along with the system. So I quit studying.

Some friends and I decided to hitchhike up the California coast road toward Mendocino. And while waiting for a ride on one part of the road, one of the fellows with whom I was traveling found an Awake! magazine in a ditch on the side of the road. Since he knew that I had studied with the Witnesses, he gave it to me. The magazine had an eye-catching title , “Is It Later Than You Think?” I looked at it for a few moments, reflecting on what my cousin had told me, and then threw it in my bag. When I arrived back home I put the magazine on my dresser, but it soon fell behind and was forgotten.

Some time later, we bought a kilo of marijuana and to celebrate we decided to bake a cake—with marijuana as the main ingredient. That morning we ate so much of the cake that we all got sick. Later we set out to clean up the house. While sweeping, I moved my dresser and what should fall out from behind but that Awake! When I saw that title again, it gave me a real jolt! It happened to be Sunday, so I decided to go to the Kingdom Hall and attend the meeting. For some weeks thereafter I continued attending the meetings and one of the Witnesses studied with me.