Re: Losing your balance -- I know the feeling :|
Thanks so much for sharing this with us. You have a way with words.
as i was trying to settle into my new life i constantly plagued myself with questions about where i had been and a bigger question, where i was going.
in the mid eighties there wasn't easy access to any exjw's to ask questions and help me through a very difficult transition in my life.
today the internet offers a lot of support through a large collection of exjw's from all over the world who offer many various options based on their own personal experience on where to go once you are out of the cult.
Re: Losing your balance -- I know the feeling :|
Thanks so much for sharing this with us. You have a way with words.
i spoke with another member of jane's judicial committee late this evening.
he has recently disassociated himself and i thought he might like to see the thread.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/64881/1001480/post.ashx#1001480
You strike me as a person with an open heart.
The man that sat in that JC--you are not that man anymore.
I hope that one day, very soon, you will be able to lay this burden down.
((Jst2laws))
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do you feel like you have low self esteem because of being raised as a jw?.
codeblue
I still maintain that , while our experiences, even the really awful ones, help to shape us, ultimately we have the power to choose-self love or self hatred.
Yes, Insomniac, I agree, thus my words:
As a child, my reality was that only the adults had the power over my circumstances, over my very feelings.
That is not my reality now. I don't cling to the label of "victim" but I would be I liar if I said I never was one.
Sometimes when the subject comes up, I may choose to talk about it. I hope no one takes that to mean that I am wallowing in self-pity or clinging to the label of "victim".
The issue is complex, and each experience isn't identical. Some of us can look in the mirror and self-talk our way out of those feelings of low self-esteem. Others of us need more than that.
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do you feel like you have low self esteem because of being raised as a jw?.
codeblue
As a girl being 'raised in it', I learned/saw that JW women in general are a disenfranchised group.
There was no meaningful counterbalance at home to counteract the effect such blatant misogyny had on me as a child.
As a child, my reality was that only the adults had the power over my circumstances, over my very feelings.
It is taking a lot to reclaim myself from that experience.
i've always wondered if it was possible to sue the society...or elders...for alienation of affection...it's possible in three states .
http://www.rosen.com/alienationofaffection/.
edited to add text:an outsider's interference with marriage can cost the outsider big bucks in north carolina.
worldygirl was it Cooper v. Shealy?
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From the record, we see that plaintiff alleged that ?[she] and her husband were happily married and genuine love and affection existed between them; which love and affection was alienated and destroyed by the wrongful and malicious acts of the Defendant.? Thus, plaintiff has effectively stated a claim for alienation of affections by addressing all of the necessary elements. Plaintiff also alleged that ?[t]he Defendant has engaged, and continues to engage in acts of criminal conversation and sexual intercourse with [her] husband,? thereby addressing the required element for a criminal conversation claim. For purposes of personal jurisdiction analysis, plaintiff's claims of injury due to defendant's telephone and e-mail solicitations are sufficient.
The question remains whether criminal conversation and alienation of affections are the type of ?injury? contemplated by the statute. This Court has stated that the term
?injury to the person or property? as used in G.S. 1-75.4(3) should be given a broad meaning consistent with the legislative intent to enlarge the concept of personal jurisdiction to the limits of fairness and due process, which negates the intent to limit the actionsthereunder to traditional claims for bodily injury and property damages.
http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2000/991276-1.htm
i've just read in another thread that due to circumstances the secret santa for this year hasn't been able to happen, so i want to try and organise another one!.
according to the lady at the post office, the closing date for international mail to be delivered before xmas is this week, but for post on the same continent we still have a few weeks so i'll try and take that into account so everyone can have their prezzy before christmas day.
if everyone who wants to join in can pm or email me at [email protected] with their details before 12noon sunday 30th november(uk time), i'll try and get the details back to you by sunday night.
WOW WOW WOW WOW
Thank you, Iiz2cool!!!!!!!
I got an absolutely divine candle holder (in my favorite color, red) with bunches and bunches of votives to put inside it. The look of it is so 'me'. It's beautiful!
It is perfect. I can't thank you enough.
And when I read the card you enclosed, something just grabbed me right here *indicates heart region*
You take of yourself now, y'hear? ((Izzy)))
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do you feel like you have low self esteem because of being raised as a jw?.
codeblue
Re: self esteem issues: I'm working on it
I hope Maverick doesn't mind if I quote his words of wisdom (from another thread):
In the J-dud world women are just worker bees, they have no say in that world.
They get a pat on the top of their heads once in a while but otherwise need
to shut-up and do what they are told! My daughter was raised to be a strong-minded,
capable, independent women. Which means she hated the JW's from about 14 on!
And you just might find yourself in direct opposition to what is being taught from the platform if you decide to raise your daughter with that "independent" attitude. (WTG Maverick!)
i figured that this topic must come up from time to time; especially moreso over here in north america.. as some of you are well aware, i posted a lovely thread about the upcoming birth about my nephew.. i'm thrilled about him, i simply just can't wait.. anyways, having been born here in north america, specifically: canada.
circumcision was common, if not all the rage in the 1950s, and 1960s and probably up until the 1970s.
with national health care, you can bet that the medical profession saw many dollars with regards to foreskins (sorry for graphic remarks).
No one is judging you.
I believe it is a practice that has hung around way past its 'sell-by' date.
"No one has the right to cut off any part of someone else's genitals without that person's competent, fully informed consent."
i figured that this topic must come up from time to time; especially moreso over here in north america.. as some of you are well aware, i posted a lovely thread about the upcoming birth about my nephew.. i'm thrilled about him, i simply just can't wait.. anyways, having been born here in north america, specifically: canada.
circumcision was common, if not all the rage in the 1950s, and 1960s and probably up until the 1970s.
with national health care, you can bet that the medical profession saw many dollars with regards to foreskins (sorry for graphic remarks).
As a mother I was deadset against subjecting my baby to this custom. He is intact.
i figured that this topic must come up from time to time; especially moreso over here in north america.. as some of you are well aware, i posted a lovely thread about the upcoming birth about my nephew.. i'm thrilled about him, i simply just can't wait.. anyways, having been born here in north america, specifically: canada.
circumcision was common, if not all the rage in the 1950s, and 1960s and probably up until the 1970s.
with national health care, you can bet that the medical profession saw many dollars with regards to foreskins (sorry for graphic remarks).
genital mutilation |
NOUN: | The cutting or excision of all or some of the genital organs, especially ritualistic clitoridectomy. |
"Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity." - George Bernard Shaw
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Where Is My Foreskin?
The Case Against Circumcision - Paul M. Fleiss, MD
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To be intact, as nature intended, is best. The vast majority of males who are given the choice value their wholeness and keep their foreskins, for the same reason they keep their other organs of perception. Parents in Europe and non-Muslim Asia never have forced their boys to be circumcised. It would no more occur to them to cut off part of their boys' penises than it would to cut off part of their ears. Respecting a child's right to keep his genitals intact is normal and natural. It is conservative in the best sense of the word.
A circumcised father who has mixed feelings about his intact newborn son may require gentle, compassionate psychological counseling to help him come to terms with his loss and to overcome his anxieties about normal male genitalia. In such cases, the mother should steadfastly protect her child, inviting her husband to share this protective role and helping him diffuse his negative feelings. Most parents want what is best for their baby. Wise parents listen to their hearts and trust their instinct to protect their baby from harm. The experience of the ages has shown that babies thrive best in a trusting atmosphere of love, gentleness, respect, acceptance, nurturing, and intimacy. Cutting off a baby's foreskin shatters this trust.
Circumcision wounds and harms the baby and the person the baby will become. Parents who respect their son's wholeness are bequeathing to him his birthright--his body, perfect and beautiful in its entirety.