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  Will the 'Make Good Use of Our Official Website' discussion backfire?

  by jw07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good day everyone,.

  i'm a born in jehovah's hostage, and am still a hostage until i can wake my family up (wishful thinking i know).

  i'll formally introduce myself later.. for now i have some burning concerns about the service meeting part for the week of december 24, 2012.

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  The sad thing is that when I was "in", I was so in that I never once laid eyes on an "apostate" website. I avidly refused all apostate material.

  I can only hope that others are less "obedient" than I was.
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  Hi I am new. Thanks for the food at the proper time.

  by 2+2=5 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been lurking on this forum for a few months and thought it was time i joined in.

  a big thankyou goes to all who post here, i have enjoyed immensely all the thought provoking discussion and not so thought provoking (thanks recovery/ethos).

  i have had heaps to get my head around recently learning the truth about the truth and as i remember reading here before its like digesting a brick.

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  Welcome, 5. I think my husband and you would get along brilliantly. Initially I thought there was another Orwell fan on here - I just recently reread 1984 and was totally creeped out at how exactly it parallelled JWs. ANYWAY...

  Reading an alternate explanation of Daniel's King of the North / King of the South prophecy ... on a smartphone at a DC up in the rafters no less (hehehe) ... was a big step for us. 607 was another one. I remember in a religion class in college vocally answering the professor's question, "When was Jerusalem destroyed?" with a confident, proud, "607!!" That was my introduction to the controversy there. :-) The dating of everything - 607, 587, 1914 was a big part of our initial "wake up" call.

  Revelation - A Grand Speculation at Hand! - LOL. Yes, most of that stuff is complete and utter self-promoting garbage.

  Continue to bring your sense of humor to the ranks of apostasy!

  GSD
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  Hi everyone - I'm a long-time lurker. I posted our full) story in Members-Only

  by goatshapeddemon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we're in a situation where it's risky to us to be identified because we've successfully faded (.

  suffice it to say on the public post that it's another "higher education" gone wrong story - so much for "it's a family decision".

  it's more like, "we may say it's a family decision, but you know what the right decision is.".

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  We're in a situation where it's risky to us to be identified because we've successfully faded () and still have a lot at stake to not get DFd for family's sake and I shared plenty of identifying details.

  Suffice it to say on the public post that it's another "Higher Education" gone wrong story - so much for "It's a family decision". It's more like, "We may SAY it's a family decision, but you know what the right decision is."

  Because my dad let us go to college (even though we pioneered and were "examples" in the circuit used on the Young People assembly parts, etc.), he lost everything and ultimately (loooong story short) here we are... and actually, we've never been happier. Me and my whole family (and husband) have left.

  Thank goodness we realized it when we did; I only wish my parents had got out earlier.

  Cheers!
  GSD
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  Sorry for how long this is but I just had to share...

  by dazed but not confused in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this first post will be a letter from my friend who hasn't spoken to me since i told him nearly a year ago i was no longer a witness.

  name not included.

  again sorry its so long.

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  I loved that you posted this exchange, @dazed. Thank you.

  I agree with DoC, unfortunately. It takes a personal wrong (in most cases) for someone to wake up. There are a few I know of who realized on their own, my husband being one, but most of us require a rude awakening. Best wishes to you.
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  January 2013 warns parents to resist contact with df'd children again

  by stuckinlimbo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  see page 15-16. full of "straw men" like:.

  * do not blame yourself it is the child that jehovah blames - parents do not care whose fault it is they just want their child not to be killed by god.

  * it is ok for parents to hope their df'd child returns - was anybody really asking if that was wrong?.

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  @donny - so sorry. My bro/sis-in-law are leaving two high paying tech / medical field jobs for the same reason. How do smart people make such dumb decisions? This religion is toxic.
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  It's Not What You Know...

  by Socrateswannabe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...because most of what people are searching for is unknowable!.

  the more i use my brain instead of let the wts do my thinking for me, the more i believe that it's impossible to identify truth.

  i think we're capable only of identifying what is not true.

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  Yeah, @socrates - we've concluded that there may be a god, but he's the god of all mankind (which explains the similarities in religious traditions) as opposed to the "god of the bible".
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  It's Not What You Know...

  by Socrateswannabe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...because most of what people are searching for is unknowable!.

  the more i use my brain instead of let the wts do my thinking for me, the more i believe that it's impossible to identify truth.

  i think we're capable only of identifying what is not true.

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  Honeybucket - Yes, exactly. But we're agnostic because we can't conclusively prove that there isn't a god either.
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  It's Not What You Know...

  by Socrateswannabe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...because most of what people are searching for is unknowable!.

  the more i use my brain instead of let the wts do my thinking for me, the more i believe that it's impossible to identify truth.

  i think we're capable only of identifying what is not true.

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  We took the same approach... Be warned, it led straight into hands down agnosticism - not what you would have expected from two extremely zealous pioneers. :-S
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  Your earliest doubt?

  by Apognophos in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this might be an unfair question for those who have been out of the organization for decades, but i'm wondering if any of you remember your earliest doubt -- maybe something odd that occurred to you as a kid (if you were a jw then).

  please try to limit to two doubts at the most :-).

  i think my first "doubt" was simply realizing that at the time of the flood, every animal that wasn't in the ark died (well, besides the fish, supposedly).

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  Bob_nc - yep, for me it wasn't the seven bowls... It was the seven trumpet blasts, lol!
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  30 and Out?

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  30 that seems to put jw's at a cross-roads?

  i've known so many who have decided to abandon ship at either the age of 30 or either after 30 years of being baptized.

  i fall into the former category.

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  My husband was 30. I was 25. But I was always old for my age. ;-)