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  February 2018 Watchtower

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  note the picture on the top right hand side.

  the little boy in green is standing between the man's legs (jesus), face forward.

  the picture is not appropriate at all and suggestive.

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  kramer

  Oh dear, I think he is supposed to illustrate the son of god , who probably wouldn’t be messing with kids
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  Pedophile on The Governing Body

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the bottom line there is zero tolerance for any homosexual activity in jehovah’s holy organization.

  so all known gays had been kicked out and disfellowshipped before i got to bethel and gays got kicked and disfellowshipped and disgraced when i was there.

  sorry, i guess i meant most homosexuals were kicked out in disgrace.

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  kramer

  @newboy could you provide any evidence for these allegations? They are pretty serious on many levels
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  Australia: Ex-JW charged with alleged historic child abuse offences

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  fyi.

  wa today com au, 12 may 2017. former wa jehovah witness charged with alleged historic child abuse offences .

  a former member of the jehovah witness congregation will appear in court next week after he was charged with sexually assaulting four boys.. the charges stem from ongoing investigations linked to the royal commission into institutional child sexual offences.. police allege between 1993 to 2013, the 44-year-old man sexually assaulted four boys aged between 14 and 16 at the time of the offences.. read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/former-wa-jehovah-witness-charged-with-alleged-historic-child-abuse-offences-20170512-gw37yd.html.

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  kramer

  @smiddy,

  Which Australian laws about clergy or citizens being mandated to report allegations of crime were you thinking of?
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  "Brexit? What's that?"

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having shared the arc report on facebook and shaken up my network of jw friends, uhhh... i am now learning how unfortunately ignorant they have become.

  so far the overall response to the report has shown that well enough, but it got worse.. a friend of mine moved to the uk from california a few years back.

  after he saw my post, he pmed me, essentially checking up to see if i'm alright.

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  kramer

  Nonsense, no one living in the U.K. Doesn't have an idea of what BREXIT is , details maybe not, but to not heard of it and have to google it they must have been in a coma for the last 18 months
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  Watchtower letter head

  by greenhornet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have a question about the letters the watchtower would send to the congregations about 20 to 30 years ago.. on the top of the letter it would say watchtower then the address in brooklyn and phone number, and the word cable watchtower.

  my question is what does cable mean?

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  kramer

  @the Nebuchadnezzar do you mean a shell company, or a company bought off the shelf... two different things but sometimes similar... OP just google it , your question belies your age..
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  Charity commission UK

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  good afternoon,.

  i am writing to provide you with an update on our work on charities here in england & wales linked to jehovah’s witnesses.

  i know that this email will end up in many different parts of the world – i hope that wherever you are, it is as nice and sunny as it is today in london.. first and foremost, a huge thank you to everyone who has come forward.

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  kramer

  Phizzy- no, of course not, why would you think it is?
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  Suicide the blood will reach heaven

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when i joined jws my mother said " you know they don't take blood and their suicide rate is much higher than general public.

  in last three years i have known three young brothers all dead at their own hands, a gun ,a rope , plastic bag over head.

  i knew these guys personally, it's one sad story after another.

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  kramer

  And I have been attending meetings for 40 years and don't know a single person who has... Thanks for the anecdotes
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  I heard that Watchtower get Government funding

  by Mozzie in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  being a recognized religion here in australia i heard they get government funding.....if this is true, i don;t see why as they seem to do okay funding themselves .

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  kramer

  You heard wrong
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  Alcoholic

  by openheart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi i was raised in the truth in the uk since my birth in 1970 i went wayward as my family left in 1981 when i was 11 never took a career just wasted my life away now i'm 46 i rejoined when i was 22 rose to be a auxiliary pioneer and ms then it all went wrong my wife diagnosed bipolar disorder i got diagnosed depression a mega implosion occurred now i'm lost what now ?.

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  kramer

  Hi :) drop me a line if you want through PM, I have a bit of experience here, and have got through (or more accurately learned to live with) similar problems ... In short, professional help is a must , and mutual help groups if possible - easier of course if you are in a city. I know the feeling of being lost and without hope with these things, you can work through it!
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  What crime should elders report?

  by kramer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.

  how about criminal fraud if they come across it.

  assault on a congregant?.

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  kramer

  @anders , the question isn't a straw man, primarily as I am not arguing a position here just asking a question

  people are saying that elders should report allegation of crime to police, why should that apply to any crime? And maybe also as a good upstanding citizen we should report ALL crime, but I know I wouldn't report an alleged assault ,.. But definetly report burglary or ongoing domestic abuse

  i guess the difference is around reporting all alleged offences v all confessed crime