Posts by kramer

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Leaders or liars

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

i was a thriving regular pioneer, doing all thr things wholeheartedly, had 16 bible studies, 7 attending meetings regularly, 11 magazine routes and 100's of rv's.

you can imagine i was always runnin out of literature and always a good list of books to order every month.

(not bragging,just stating facts.all this is wasted anyway).

kramer

Hmmmm.... 2 or 3 studies a day, and up to 10 RVs a day, pretty impressive!!

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The Latest "Peoples Magazine" on Occults

by new boy in

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of course they talk about all the really wacky ones everyone knows about, jones town, charles mason, heaven's gate and branch dravidian.

however if you add up all the unnecessary deaths these cults have contributed too (a thousand and fifty people) it pales in comparison to the number of people who have been directly or indirectly killed my the jehovah's witnesses.

by the way all of the cults mention above are no more, except for the watchtower bible and truck society.. the little ones seem to get all the attention and the big ones just slide on by.. .

kramer

I have been attending 40+ years and don’t know anyone who has committed suicide, this is therefore statistically robust evidence that suicides don’t happen in gods organisation

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Watchtower Tax Return

by Tahoe in

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photo credit: dallas canadathis is from only one of the corporations and before the recent kh sell offs.

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kramer

Oh dear, why post this kind of nonsense?

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Narrow mindedness annoying

by Lost in the fog in

none of the brothers and sisters in indonesia were hurt or lost in the recent disaster, according to one of the friends who added "we were all praying for them as soon as we heard it on the news, as you do.

and what about the rest of the population?

i know its nothing new in their attitude to the world outside in general, but it makes me so angry!

kramer

If you had heard of a major disaster and knew your family was in the area, would you feel more concerned about your family , or the population at large? Jws feel close to people in their religion , so they would focus on them, this doesn’t mean they don’t care about others (although I doubt many would contribute to charitable efforts to help the wider population)

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Florida investigating catholic priests, maybe JW victims can join in?

by Bad_Wolf in

saw florida is doing special investigation into sex abuse by catholic priests.

i'm sure if some jw's join in they'll add that as well.

https://www.tbo.com/news/florida/florida-investigating-allegations-of-sexual-abuse-by-priests-ap_floridac0e8e01931724afa84838a7fb31b4075.

kramer

@smuddy3 I may be wrong, but I think there are only about 475,000 priests and deacons in the Catholic Church. I would imagine 20-30% of congregations are appointed people, so that’s about 2.25m appointed people, far higher than the Catholic Church. So you could argue you would expect far more , not less amongst abuse cases amongst jws

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Adding insult to injury when the WT kicks out a congregation from their hall

by nowwhat? in

not only does the organization confiscate the hall the congregation owns.

but then the former congregants are told to continue to pay for utilities and they are still responsible for upkeep and maintenance.

so they still have to cut the grass etc.

kramer

Members of local congregations make donations or gifts to their local congregation which is convened by the charitable organisation, the hall is generally owned by a trust who allow use of the hall at no cost.

So, again, why would a volunteer for a charity who makes a donation to a charity think they have part ownership of a building?

4 days ago

Because the local congregations have always paid for their own buildings. Whether they had the cash or got a loan from the society that they paid off themselves. Plus any remodeling along the way. What kind of question is that anyway?! Everyone knows that

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Not viewed as a JW if not reported for 6 months?

by kramer in

hi, i seem to remember that the society have said that you are not viewed as a witness if you have not reported for 6 months.. does this ring any bells?

someone i know has been called for a judicial, even though she has said she doesn’t believe and is not not attending meetings and hasn’t for 6 months.what she did was 12 months ago when she was a witness.. she is not sure whether she should turn up or not, as turning up shows she thinks she answers to elders still.

but also doesn’t want to be automatically disfellowshipped which may happen if she doesn’t turn up.. if there is an article to quote saying someone inactive isn’t seen as a witness, this would be helpful.. any thoughts?.

kramer

Does anyone have experience of legal threats working in the UK? My gut feel is that there is less fear of litigation here.

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Adding insult to injury when the WT kicks out a congregation from their hall

by nowwhat? in

not only does the organization confiscate the hall the congregation owns.

but then the former congregants are told to continue to pay for utilities and they are still responsible for upkeep and maintenance.

so they still have to cut the grass etc.

kramer

How do you mean, they owned the congregation? In what sense did people who attended meetings own the building?

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Not viewed as a JW if not reported for 6 months?

by kramer in

hi, i seem to remember that the society have said that you are not viewed as a witness if you have not reported for 6 months.. does this ring any bells?

someone i know has been called for a judicial, even though she has said she doesn’t believe and is not not attending meetings and hasn’t for 6 months.what she did was 12 months ago when she was a witness.. she is not sure whether she should turn up or not, as turning up shows she thinks she answers to elders still.

but also doesn’t want to be automatically disfellowshipped which may happen if she doesn’t turn up.. if there is an article to quote saying someone inactive isn’t seen as a witness, this would be helpful.. any thoughts?.

kramer

Thanks for your input all, it seems that she will be viewed as a JW - albeit an inactive one, and either attend and play the game, or not attend and get disfellowshipped, or try the legal card for harassment.

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Not viewed as a JW if not reported for 6 months?

by kramer in

hi, i seem to remember that the society have said that you are not viewed as a witness if you have not reported for 6 months.. does this ring any bells?

someone i know has been called for a judicial, even though she has said she doesn’t believe and is not not attending meetings and hasn’t for 6 months.what she did was 12 months ago when she was a witness.. she is not sure whether she should turn up or not, as turning up shows she thinks she answers to elders still.

but also doesn’t want to be automatically disfellowshipped which may happen if she doesn’t turn up.. if there is an article to quote saying someone inactive isn’t seen as a witness, this would be helpful.. any thoughts?.

kramer

Hi, I seem to remember that the society have said that you are not viewed as a witness if you have not reported for 6 months.

Does this ring any bells? Someone I know has been called for a judicial, even though she has said she doesn’t believe and is not not attending meetings and hasn’t for 6 months.What she did was 12 months ago when she was a witness.

She is not sure whether she should turn up or not, as turning up shows she thinks she answers to elders still. But also doesn’t want to be automatically disfellowshipped which may happen if she doesn’t turn up.

if there is an article to quote saying someone inactive isn’t seen as a witness, this would be helpful.

any thoughts?