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“When we say that Jesus Christ was produced without sexual union, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, we propound nothing new or different from what you believe regarding those whom you call the sons of Jupiter.”
-Justin Martyr
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has anybody read this recent book by erhman?
wondering.. thank you..
Indeed, yet, as much as I agree with Bart, he has NO proof that they were written WITHOUT their apporval, simply that they were written by someon else, or perhaps edited.
There was much evidence that many of the ancient book, those included in the canon and others, were not written by who they claimed. Paul's letters are one example where the letters are full of contradictions from other things wrote by Paul. Of course it's all circumstantial, we weren't there. Forged is what it seems to be, however. This is a classic case of counting the hits, ignoring the misses and using interesting leaps of logic and broadening definitions in one case and restricting them in another to reach the conclusion you want.
Point being that the only thing we know is that those letters don't mesh with Paul's other letters and shoudl be viewed as "questionable", but beyond that were are purely speculating.
My point is that you are speculating with a specific bias towards a conclusion you want to be true.
That said, there is NO evidene they were forged and they could have:
That said, absolutely there is and you just don't like it.
at the end of today's meeting, some over-righteous friends were discussing the various possibilities of armaggeddon occuring invisibly, considering the explanation given within the "parousia" domain on the invisible presence of christ in 1914. they reffered to some articles which i am presently looking through.. .
while he was sitting upon the mount of olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence [pa?rou?sia, greek] and of the conclusion of the system of things?.
"in our day, then, what is meant by the biblical expression the presence of our lord jesus christ?
I believe makkeli was mentioning what others were saying and asking if you would swallow it when you were a JW. I don't think he is buying it.
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They were not forged in the commonly accepted modern usage of the word.
In what sense were they forged, then? Written in someone elses name without their approval means forged. Authors railed against people doing that to them all the time back then. In what sense do you proposed it doesn't make sense to use that word?
It no longer becomes the merits of a person's opinion, a person you respect, but a fighting match with nastiness.
It's not viscious at all. I haven't attacked anyone for their beliefs or for having them.
There are many positions between literal truth directly from God to forgeries. Many. I would not say anyting nasty about anyone's reasoning throughout the entire spectrum of positions.
No one has said anything nasty.
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has anybody read this recent book by erhman?
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Ah...you do realise that I do NOT view the bible as inerrant and that I personally agree with many of the things that Bart writes and support his writings.
I do know that, quite well. If not's not the inerrant word of a perfect god and his perfect son, then why would I bother reading it? Those are issues you have to get around if you take the "it's not inerrant route" to being a Christian. God could take out some air time during the superbowl or write in the sky or cause all of the world to perfectly hear his message and recall it perfectly if he really wanted us to know what it was, presuming he exists.
See for yourself:
Dude, I OWN the book. I have said many times that he presents a LOT of the stuff as his opinion, some of it as his and some others, some of it as "generally accepted".
It seems this whole thing comes down to your dislike of his use of the word "forged", which is a perfectly reasonable use of the word since it does mean exactly what he used it for.
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Bart or his publishers knew that putting the term on the cover would create controversy and controversy sells.
You have an agenda and cherry pick just as much, bro, make excuses, used wierd twisted reasoning to get over and past obvious contradictions (not interpretations, DIRECT contradictions). It's OK, I don't agree with you, I 100% respect your right to worship as you see fit as long as you don't hurt someone else that insn't consenting to it (as in, I belong to the church of spanking, consentual women with nice bottoms welcome ;)), but I do get mildly irritated when people call out people for the very thing they are doing, cherry picking.
P.S. I am not really into spanking. I really meant that if a native american wants to sit in a sweat lodge and smoke peyote as part of his religious experience, fine by me as long as he isn't hurting anyone.
marrying out of the truth !!.
(author's name removed to protect privacy).
he or she-- doesn't love jehovah .
someone has an account on JWTalk :)
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has anybody read this recent book by erhman?
wondering.. thank you..
Lets be clear about somthing:
Let's do. Cherry picking will get you called out every time. another definition:
to imitate (handwriting, a signature, etc.) fraudulently; fabricate a forgery .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/215188/1/my-last-po-just-opened-a-brand-new-yogurt-place.
It's just your left hand with lipstick on it. I say go for it. Be bold.
this kills me.
i am going to see the big 4 (metallical, megadeth, slayer and anthrax) in concert in ny next month, i just found out dave mustain, the founding guitarist and only permanent member, the guy that was kicked out of metallica for partying too hard, was rasied a jw.. i am answering my own question.
party like a motherf*cker and try not to drink myself to death is what i should do.. i just thought it was hilarious.
BotR, it's in the Bronx at Yankees stadium.
Darkside, he isn't a JW, was raised as one. Don't think he ever got dunked.
Good idea on the letter, I may do that. OTOH, I am excessively lazy, so I probably won't.
