How do we know it wasn't nukes? The lack of an EMP.
Unless the goddamn aliens were protecting us from that, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuluqfeqfuu&feature=feedu.
How do we know it wasn't nukes? The lack of an EMP.
Unless the goddamn aliens were protecting us from that, too.
fyi: the following material that im providing comes from a source in australia, an xjw who is now monitoring the case and will provide feedback, comments, and opinions.
barbara.
the governing body of jehovah's witnesses was recently summoned to appear in the magistrates' court of victoria on september 13, 2011 in relation to a number of indictable criminal offences allegedly committed.
Each of the 7 criminal charges filed in court against the Governing Body are a "valid charge."
Again, does NOT follow. I could be put on trial for murder and found to be innocent of the charge. I still have to answer them even if the prosecution is wrong. Just because a charge carries the force of law and you are compelled to answer it doesn't mean the accused agrees that it is valid or that will be found valid when all is said and done.
Molehills into mountains over blended theolegal meaning of a word.
The conclusion that the WT agrees the charges are "valid" in the sense of being accurate does not follow. You can't blend three definitions of a word to get to the result you want.
fyi: the following material that im providing comes from a source in australia, an xjw who is now monitoring the case and will provide feedback, comments, and opinions.
barbara.
the governing body of jehovah's witnesses was recently summoned to appear in the magistrates' court of victoria on september 13, 2011 in relation to a number of indictable criminal offences allegedly committed.
If the Governing Body answers the charges in this case, then this would confirm that a "valid charge" has actually been brought against each of them.
that does not follow. simply answering charges does NOT mean you agree they are valid, that simply means you have legal responsibility to answer the charges, nothing else.
i kind of think so..
i hope not, I am flying to TX on the 11th.
this is another cut and paste, but i make no apology (unless it has been posted on here already), as it is very informative.
evolution is one of the best supported, most elegant, and most powerful theories in all of science.
as it stands, it is the best explanation that we have for the diversity of life on earth.
Remember, it isn't about taking something literal, we say things like, " Its so hot my skin is literally melting", but do we mean it or are we making a point?
Yes, but no one bases how they live their life on whether or not I may be speaking literally or using a metaphor. Jesushovah REALLY should have been a little clearer on those points. Like, Ezekiel appears to have been on some serious kick ass drugs. Or was Jesushovah just loading some seriously hardcore religion shit into his brain. Kind of important details when deciding if it really IS something to base your life on.
I mentioned Augustine because he shows that even 1600 years ago, there were those that saw it as literal and concrete and those that didn't.
You think that being way close to the actual event they might actually know what was concrete, or at least MORE concrete about Jesus. Even 25 years after him. But they didn't. You thing Jesushovah might do something to, you know, make that a little more clear if he cared.
Actually, we have no evidence that A Adam and AN Eve did not exist or that they did exist
We do know they (or any two "humans) did not spawn the human race. Science, baby!
It may be that A&E were the "environmental factors" that spawn the homo offshot, it may be that Adam and Ever were real people and the first ones to "find" God.
You think Jesushovah might want to be a little more clear on that since it's kind of important for the whole idea of atonement or ransom for original sin. Too bad he apparently doesn't care enough to say.
In short, there is nothing in science that can prove that Adam and Eve ( or the two first fully homosapiens) never existed and there is some logic to the notion that they MAy have been real people.
Yes, science can and does disprove the notion that somehow the first two fully formed homosapiens existed in ANY manner described in the bible. Homosapien DNA proves that we formed from multiple Homo variants interbreeding and evolving. Science definitely shows it was a gradual change over populations interbreeding and NOT two sapiens suddenly popping up and populating the world.
Seriously, PSac, you are worrying me. You used to seem like such a well balance Christian, lately you are getting very anti-science and starting to go a little off the deep end in an effort to defend untenable and indefensible positions like this one. Scaring me bro. Have faith in Jesus, come back down to reality...
i was going to say what JRK said.
They all re offend, time and time again. when they are in their sick little world they cant control, make no mistake they will do it all over again.
*sigh*.... No. That is not true. Rapists, older men taking indecent liberties with minors (pederasty) and pedophiles tend to be repeat offenders.
You can ALSO be a sex offender, depending on where you live, if you:
- try to hide in some bushes to take a leak and someone sees you your back turned to them and is offended. No seeing of the penis required
- are 16 and have 15 with a 15 year old
- are 15 and take a picture of yourself and send it to someone
- are 15 and have sex with another 15 year old
- having consentual anal sex
It all depends on local law and how much of a hard on the local prosecutor has for hating anything that involves a penis or vagina.
this is another cut and paste, but i make no apology (unless it has been posted on here already), as it is very informative.
evolution is one of the best supported, most elegant, and most powerful theories in all of science.
as it stands, it is the best explanation that we have for the diversity of life on earth.
I mean, if you were gonna create something, wouldn't you give it what it needs to survive as best it can?
That sucks for 99.999% of species that have died out over the millions of year. Jesushovah should have thought that through a little better.
there was an error on the latest awake!
cover.
here is the correct version.. .
Again please touch on my issues with the gaint humans okay, i really want to know what evolution has to say about all that.
If you have issues with giant humans, evolution would suggest that you are jealous and have a small penis.
there was an error on the latest awake!
cover.
here is the correct version.. .
In the same way before you bash the claim of the ark being able to hold you have to justify your assumptions in a real world scene and not just on paper.
People have built wooden ships. Lots of them. They already know the upper engineering limit of how big they can be. You fail.
Now i dont really get you, how is evloution comprehensible when in actual facts all the things abound us seem to indicate other wise, i mean since you cant really explaing how life came to be in the first place.
Except that the actual fact do point towards evolution. And how life came to be has nothing to do with evolution, that's abiogenesis. You fail.
Again may i ask what evidence you speak of?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent. You fail.
i mean what more can i say?
Hopefully nothing. We are all dumber for having met you.
Well i guess my mind is made up of...
... mostly empty, unused space.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062012614/ref=s9_simh_bw_p14_d0_g14_i1?pf_rd_m=atvpdkikx0der&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0eppm5kwv5zydqhmh1ar&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1287771322&pf_rd_i=283155.
has anybody read this recent book by erhman?
wondering.. thank you..
Same reason an atheists are here. If they dont' care or even believe, why do they care so much?
Fair enough.
I could understand Bart's issues when he was a die hard evangelical and viewed the bible as inerrant and discovered that, in his view, it wasn't.
It's not his view that it's not inerrant. It IS not inerrant.
Now, it seems simply "spiteful" at times, as if he is trying everything to discredit the Bible so that ALL cna share in his "discovery".
Funny, he says over and over in his books he isn't trying to dicredit the entire bible. You keep repeating this and then ignore the words he writes saying his goal is NOT that.
One wonder why HE cares so much also.
Well, he IS a biblical scholar. that may have something to do with it.
Or why YOU care so much too my friend.
It bugs me when i see people misapplying or not using critical thinking skills.
In short, there is NO PROOF that the NT documents where written WITHOUT the permission of the person they are attrubuted too.
In short, there IS a LOT of suspicious things that raise the question and point in that direction, but, as Terry said, you start with your conclusion already formed and suffer from heavy bias, use special pleading, appeals to authority, etc., to make it all comfy in your mind.
Peace, brother. See you in the next debate :)