EntirelyPossible

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  I really want to go JW but..

  by fortbethel in

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  i've studied with like 30 diff denominations.

  i really feel jw is best for me.

  i think it's the 144,000 part & the once a year get together when they pass around the sacrament that bothers me most.

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  EntirelyPossible

  A lobotomy works for most JDubs
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  Victoria, Australia: Report on Sept. 13th hearing involving Steven Unthank

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  i received the following information from the xjw in australia who agreed to keep us all informed of whatever takes place at court hearings that involve steven unthank and the five watch tower entities that were recently criminally charged in victoria, australia.. .

  this is the report for the hearing held on september 13, 2011.. .

  barbara.

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  EntirelyPossible

  The GB itself determines what constitutes irreprehensible behaviour. If they decide that they are not being prosecuted for a legitimate reason but because they are being 'persecuted' then it does not matter what the opinion of the world is or what they get charged with, they remain irreprehensible, as far as they are concerned.

  Winner winner chicken dinner.

  A couple of things may happen. 99% of JWs around the world probably won't hear of this, so they don't care. If they do, it will just be viewed as the governments turning on true religion and not valid by the ranke and file. Either way, for the flock and them keeping their jobs, problem solved. Whatever happens in Australia is a different story.
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  The Value of a Godless World

  by cantleave in

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  thought provoking.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a42rhvmnuaa&feature=uploademail.

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  EntirelyPossible

  BTW, it's amusing that you tried to move the goalposts. We were talking about slavery and human trafficking and when the numbers proved you wrong, you magically wanted to add in 158 million people in an entirely different category.

  You can move the goalposts like that if you like, but you are going to have to do the work to move the posts. Do the research, tell me if per capita it's better or worse than the past 2 centuries.

  I am sure you won't, but don't for one second think your clumsy attempt to change the game midstream wasn't noticed. Derp.
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  The Value of a Godless World

  by cantleave in

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  thought provoking.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a42rhvmnuaa&feature=uploademail.

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  EntirelyPossible

  The sad reality of this beautiful world that we live in, is that it is anything but beautiful for most of the earth’s inhabitants.

  Qualify that. There are almost 8 billion people on this planet. What means beautiful? Being alive? Being rich? Having enough to enough to eat? Attending church? Going to a death metal concert? Having 500 friends on Facebook? Having no one bother you on facebook? Making sure your kids can get into an Ivy League? Playing UNO with your kids and making sure they simply have a choice?

  The sad reality is that you can't quantify what a beautiful life is for 100 random people you pass on the street, much less for 8 billion people. And you certainly can't quantify it as NOT beautiful for MOST of them. Subjective argument summarily rejected.

  On the basis of this...you may need to consider adding in Unicefs figures of An estimated 158 million children aged 5-14 are engaged in child labour.

  Ah, well then certainly we can. If you want to play those numbers, them simply go fetch the population numbers and estimated number of children in child labor for the world for the past 200 years and tell if the percentage of children in child labor as compared to population is higher or lower. I told you math would be involved. Otherwise you are just spouting numbers without context and relevence.

  Would you like to add these people into your statistics?

  Sure you can, but since you want to add them in, you can gather the data and then normalize for population changes and adding in a new category. You do know how to normalize data to make it relavent, right? You do know that in order to make a point and have a valid argument you need to do that, right? Otherwise it just seems like you are desperately grasping at straws to inflate your numbers in the modern world while ignoring the historical world to deflate those to bolster your claims.

  Please, feel free to do so.

  Remind me again how we are evolving better morals.

  Per capita slavery is down drastically, women, in greater numbers per capita all over the world now are no longer viewed as property, can vote, own business, child labor per capita is down, disease research is both governmentally and philantropically funded, due to higher sense of morals to help people, once fatal diseases are eradicated in large parts of the world. Not all, of course, but it's better. Not worse.

  However, looking at the information presented and available, slavery is not a diminishing problem/practice. Therefore it is difficult to accept that morals are improving, and this issue of slavery is just one moral subject that we are considering....

  All it proves is that you suck at math. All of the people estimated to be in slavery today is roughly equal, per capita, to the slaves in ONE country in Africa just 70 years ago. This is why we say better as opposed to fixed.

  If we truly look around, take off the blinkers, and open our eyes to what is really happening, it is clear to see that morals aren't changing for the better, because if this were the case these moral issues wouldn't exist in any manipulated, statistical number at all.

  No, that's not clear at all. Civilization and society at large working to, and actually improving conditions for people, does not mean that all places and people will be perfect all the time. Most people agree that murder is wrong, yet murders still occur.

  In your world, if 50 years ago, if there were 5 murders per 1000 people per year and today there is 0.5 murders per 1000 people per year, things aren't better because there is still roughly a single murder every 2 years.

  There will always be bad people. Society at large and individual people CAN evolve better morals, but that doesn't in any way mean there won't still be bad people that do bad things.

  All you are proving is that you really don't understand math, statistice or sociological studies.
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  My trouble

  by bushido8000 in

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  2. friends

  i have been facing a small dilemma for some years now.

  i have been in the truth since i was 5 years old.

  after experiencing some troubles with man-made rules (non-scriptural, told me that i absolutely could not join my small school's football team) in the kingdom hall when i was about 16, i stopped going to take a step back and look at what was going on.

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  EntirelyPossible

  Ah, humility, the one trait JW's loathe. You'll get nowhere actually being a nice person with them.
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  Were any of you anointed?

  by TimothyT in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did any of you feel that mystical force telling you that you were of the anointed class?.

  what did it feel like?

  was it real?

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  EntirelyPossible

  If we count whisky, then yes. Right now. And I had udon noodles for dinner, that's like bread.
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  The Value of a Godless World

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thought provoking.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a42rhvmnuaa&feature=uploademail.

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  EntirelyPossible

  I have used YOUR OWN examples....I have NOT used my own...

  No you didn't, at all. You keep suggesting that because these things exists that the world is getting worse. Let's take your first failed attempt to prove me wrong.

  First, you need to understand that facts aren't necessarily factual evidence. You are attempting to prove the world is WORSE that it was at other points in history, so you will need to show how many slaves as a percentage of the population existed at various times and show that it's worse today. So, given that every nation on the world has outlawed slavery, you may have trouble doing that. However, presuming you can, let's just pick a country, say, Ethiopia. I picked it since you clearly indicated earlier that you think I like looking through Rose colored glasses as I live the U.S. and I have no clue how things are in the rest of the world.

  In the 1930s there were an estimated 2 million slaved out of an estimated population of 12 million people, 16% of the population.

  How many people are slaves today? Estimates run between 12 and 27 million, so let's split the difference and go with 16.5 million. According to the CIA there are an estimated 1 million slaves in the US alone, that leaves 15.5 million. That's 18% of the population of Ethiopia.

  For Ethiopia to be worse, every single person that is enslaved today would have to be a slave in Ethiopia. Since that is clearly not the case, it is clear that slavery in Ethiopia has become drastically reduced due to evolved morality in the population at large. The same is true for the United States.

  So, thank you for using my example. It clearly illustrates that just making a statement and dropping raw numbers is insufficient. It is important to understand the context and meaning of numbers and draw conclusions from that.

  If you wish to continue the debate, please feel free. However, understand that what you say will be subjected to a "Does it make sense" test. Math may be involved. You will have to understand the numbers you through out and their current, historical and statistical relevance. In other words, you will have to PROVE your point, not just through out raw numbers and an opinion.
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  The Value of a Godless World

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thought provoking.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a42rhvmnuaa&feature=uploademail.

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  EntirelyPossible

  As a side note, someone drawing a different conclusion using the same evidence does not mean that they're ignorant. It just means they have reached a different conclusion

  I agree. Whensome, however, decides to ignore or purposefully misrepresent factual evidence in order to make a point, then it's open season.
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  After leaving the Faith, do you celebrate all of the Holidays?

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i could never understand how some who don't follow some of the moral restrictions in the jw faith, are strong against celebrating the .

  religious holidays such as christmas, and easter etc.. do you celebrate the holidays knowing some of their origins?.

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  EntirelyPossible

  Yes, Entirely Possible, but getting hammered is not rooted in Pagon beliefs....it's honoring Noah.

  But I do it after eating a turkey, and not just because it was on sale.
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  After leaving the Faith, do you celebrate all of the Holidays?

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i could never understand how some who don't follow some of the moral restrictions in the jw faith, are strong against celebrating the .

  religious holidays such as christmas, and easter etc.. do you celebrate the holidays knowing some of their origins?.

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  Not easter, but i will have holiday meals with people, put up a tree, exchange presents, get hammered and watch football on thanksgiving...