if you have not seen it, it,s on the discovery station.
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I mean really, how far would one get for saying at the the altar, "yes, but I can't say for sure that I'll love her forever, in fact, nothing about the future is certain, but the data obtained so far seems to indicate a favorable outcome"
It's called a pre-nup.
if you have not seen it, it,s on the discovery station.
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I said "the answer to my question was that 'in this universe it is impossible.'
Apparently, though, some feel it isn't a step to be taken by ME... just by everyone else. Please read my initial post... and dear Bohm's initial response...
I would submit, then, that the issue is YOUR presentation. You say things authoritatively that are flat out wrong and then get called on them and then slightly change what you say to clarify which just leads to more questions and then clarify which leads to more questions and then suddenly you don't understand the things you were speaking authoritatively about previously and suddenly are being attacked. This has happened multiple times, EVERY time you jump in a science thread and the only common denominator is you.
There is NOTHING wrong with asking questions, you can ask all you like, but you complain about the way the answers are presented even as you acknowledge they were presented with a disclaimer. That's like complaining about getting your hand burned on the stove when there was a sign up that the stove was hot, you just didn't like the font it was printed in.
Think about it.
And what the particular "conductor" was saying HERE... was NOT showing in the music on the particular page!
And here is the crux of the problem. You freely admit you don't understand music, then claim you understand enough, complain about the presentation and then admit you don't understand the squiggly lines on the page but you are sure they don't line up and then say you could understand it if you wanted to.
Do you not see where the obvious disconnect here is? When you want to be critical you sure do know enough, when you are called on it and presented information that answers your questions you suddenly don't and then when you want to ask questions you suddenly can learn it.
Learn it or don't, it's up to you, but you seriously need to get a basic understanding before start being critical, otherwise you will get your ass handed to you.
Ummmmm... I think that I was thinking that because it WAS Dr. Hawking... that the contents WOULD coincide with the music on the page. Too much to expect, apparently.
Yet you admit you can't read the music and claim to know it doesn't match. Utterly ridiculous.
Seriously, we will be happy to help you understand, but that this point what you have written has become so confusing I don't think anyone knows what your actual issue or question is. This is a common theme with you on science threads. If you can distill down and succintly asked what you want to know we will be HAPPY to help answer.
Be back later, I am going to go have dinner with a girl and drink a few beers. Peace to you, Shel. Please don't take what I wrote as mean or critical, I mean it with all sincerity that we will be happy help with any questions you have.
if you have not seen it, it,s on the discovery station.
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ALL I asked, however, was, if the theory is that they instantaneously come and go... HOW do we know they aren't coming "from" or going "to" somewhere else? The answer to that was, because in THIS universe that isn't possible.
Come on Shelby. You can't say you don't know enough about QFT to say what exists and doesn't and then in any logically consistent way then authoritatively say what is and isn't possible. It's OK to ask questions, it's perfectly fine to tell you "we don't know the anwsers yet, but when people do point you in the right direction, it's not cool to say you don't understand it and still say what is and isn't possible.
Because some believe it isn't. Some of those same scientists... who believe in black holes and virtual particles. And some of THEM... question whether such particles are, in fact, coming "from"/going "to"... nowhere. So did I.
Excellent point. Asking questions is step one, which leads me to...
Which is TRULY confusing to me, because that is what such ones say we're SUPPOSED to do, that knowledge STARTS with skepticism... which leads to questions.
It is confusing because you are missing the basic idea that, to be skeptical of an idea, you need to understand it, which you readily admit you don't while at the same time claiming to know what is and isn't possible in this universe. I can be skeptical all day long that squiggly lines on a page REALLY can be translated into music, but until I put forth the effort to understand music, reading music and sheet music I really am being skeptical in a void.
Perhaps the problem is the same one you have with science, just presentation. Or maybe it's not. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but it seems like you have this idea that simply being skeptical in and of itself is a good thing. Being skepitical of things CAN be good, but it isn't a virtue in and of itself. Being skeptical of something without truly understanding it, in this case, you understanding QFT or the scientific method in general, is amusing at best and foolosh at worst.
Otherwise... and I absolutely stick by this assertion... IN ITS PRESENTATION... AND perhaps in the fallout FROM such presentation... science is NO different... than religion.
Science is a practice, not a living entity unto itself. Let's not pretend that presentations by Bill Nye or Phil Plait or Brian Cox are the same as presentations by Hawking or Dawkins. You might as well say that your presentation is no different that Joel Osteen or Joyce Meyer or Pat Robertson.
I don't understand what fallout you are talking about other than you not liking the way things are presented. Can you clarify what the fallout is?
if you have not seen it, it,s on the discovery station.
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I'll throw my few cents in here....
Shelby, you should know from experience I will tell you when you are right. This isn't one of those times. Bohm is 100% correct. Any comparison of religion or god stuff to science is inaccurate. Science is a method whereby skepticism is blended with being open to new ideas, a method for sifting out good ideas for bad ones, for taking what we "know" and using it to figure out what we don't because there is always something we don't know (and we know that!) and testing ideas for validity and making the results and method open to all to learn and prove to themselves. Granted, as bohm pointed out, understanding QM (or general or special relativity for that matter) takes YEARS of study and practice in multiple fields to begin grasping it, in much the same way that being a musician in an orchestra takes years of learning sheet music, how to play an instrument, how to play in an orchestra and how to follow a conductor. Without the requisite background (which anyone CAN learn, should they choose, as bohm pointed out about science) it's just squiggly lines and a guy waving a stick at you.
Religion is, largely, either someone telling you what to believe, often because of where/who you were born to (much like how people born muslims rarely hear the voice of jesus and vice versa) or via personal revalation. Neither of those can be tested in the sense that you are equating to science.
To suggest that the two are the same is to not understand science OR religion.
Come on Shel. You are wrong on this one. Let it go.
i was just wondering, what if afterall, christainity is right, what if there would be a ressurection, what if the heavenly hope is a valid aspiration god has set in place for faithful servants, what would be the hope of about 1.3million apostate dissidents who turned their back on the jw brand of christainity, where would they be?, some here seems to represent the anti-christ depicted in the bible, but what would be their hope, would god out of his abundant mercy shield us somehow and what would be the rationale behind his protection?.
life as we presently live it is confusing, the future as perceived is unpredictable, we may think our corpses are deemed to serve as manure, but whereas what if there is really life after death.
how would god judge those who seem to have spat on his face?, would he view us as mere victims of abundant hypocrisy in a confused world?.
If LOTR is right, then I call dibs on getting to be this badass wizard.
i need to buy a new microwave, what brands do you recommend that i consider to buy?
i like stainless steel.
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One that microwaves.
i was just wondering, what if afterall, christainity is right, what if there would be a ressurection, what if the heavenly hope is a valid aspiration god has set in place for faithful servants, what would be the hope of about 1.3million apostate dissidents who turned their back on the jw brand of christainity, where would they be?, some here seems to represent the anti-christ depicted in the bible, but what would be their hope, would god out of his abundant mercy shield us somehow and what would be the rationale behind his protection?.
life as we presently live it is confusing, the future as perceived is unpredictable, we may think our corpses are deemed to serve as manure, but whereas what if there is really life after death.
how would god judge those who seem to have spat on his face?, would he view us as mere victims of abundant hypocrisy in a confused world?.
well, then i would be surprised for one. I would probably say something like "Well fuck me running, i didn't see that coming", or "well shit on me and tickle my ass with a feather, that was quite the surprise" or "Hey God, you're a giant assho <insert lightning strike here>"
for some reason i have allowed myself to let my tv channel stay stuck on... wait for it... "the maury povich" show!
talk about a train wreck... or several train wrecks... looping... over... and over... and over... and after each scenario i tell myself "change the dang channel!
" then... another "wreck".
And this, my dear, is why, when i was out of work for a few months, i had a rigorous TV schedule of morning news, In the Heat of the Night, Matlock, Scrubs and Walker, Texas Ranger.
if you have not seen it, it,s on the discovery station.
tonite, 8:00 pm west coast, two parts..
Awesome thread yo!
since most of us believed it was right around the corner, how many of you went to any secondary schools or training?
what do you do now to survive?
are you working or unemployed?
Ex-JW.
The stuff I make up is related to processes and parterships to run a business unit for <insert name of technology company we've all heard of here>. It's not related to eternal salvation, just all of us getting paid. The more successful the guys under me are, the more I make, so I have a vested interest in EVERYONE making money, not just everyone giving me money :)
