How many other things are their to die from apart from chronic disease or accidents? If prevention was 100% . . . most of us would live forever. I think increasing life spans are good evidence that both prevention and cure is at work. Chronic disease was much more prevalent just a century ago . . . because evidence of causitive factors was in much shorter supply, not just effective treatments. Knowledge of bacterial and viral infections have given rise to better hygeine practices as well as treatments. I still can't see the point being valid. Am I still missing something?
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How important is evidence to your world view?
by snare&racket inhow important is evidence to your world view?.
if you had to make a decision on a fact being true, what would be the deciding factor for you... your feelings and faith, scriptural statement or evidence presented by modern science?.
would scripture trump evidence, or would faith trump scripture etc .
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How important is evidence to your world view?
by snare&racket inhow important is evidence to your world view?.
if you had to make a decision on a fact being true, what would be the deciding factor for you... your feelings and faith, scriptural statement or evidence presented by modern science?.
would scripture trump evidence, or would faith trump scripture etc .
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I probably have a 99% chance of dying from chronic disease because I have three of them. There's probably a small chance I might get killed by a train or a bus while I'm waiting, hence the 1%. But I'd be pissed if that happened . . . or maybe not.
Evidence based medicine identifies causes as well as treating synptoms. Identifiable contributing factors can be mitigated by diet or lifestyle changes as a result of evidence based medicine.
We learned from evidence that smoking is harmful. Campaigns to reduce smoking are as prevalent as treatments of heart or lung didease.
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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For one who has died has been set free from sin - NAV
set free = acquittal (free of condemnation)
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Would this lie count as sin?
by Knowsnothing inhttp://edgeofcivilization.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/lies-and-politics/.
the story however starts years earlier when themistocles, a politician and general campaigned for money to build a stronger navy against a probable persian attack.
the athenians didnt believe him comfort, complacent and confident.
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I think what you're saying is essentially right Tammy
Love (or the desire to do good and avoid harm) is a guiding principle. As soon as we define to make a rule . . . we find ourselves having to make exceptions on technicalities. That to me is the slippery slope. When we go back to the principle . . . the way forward is more simple, and a good outcome can be accomplished without hesitation, harm or guilt . . . or the need for forgiveness.
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Would this lie count as sin?
by Knowsnothing inhttp://edgeofcivilization.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/lies-and-politics/.
the story however starts years earlier when themistocles, a politician and general campaigned for money to build a stronger navy against a probable persian attack.
the athenians didnt believe him comfort, complacent and confident.
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Tammy . . . I always believed that "love covers a multitude of sins" was in reference to extending forgiveness quickly when warranted, to avoid unnecessary conflict over relatively trivial matters . . . rather than a provision for arbitrary deceit.
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Would this lie count as sin?
by Knowsnothing inhttp://edgeofcivilization.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/lies-and-politics/.
the story however starts years earlier when themistocles, a politician and general campaigned for money to build a stronger navy against a probable persian attack.
the athenians didnt believe him comfort, complacent and confident.
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Abraham lied saying Sarah was his sister to protect her. Jahoober was cool with it as I remember. Some say he didn't lie because Sarah was his half sister . . . but he didn't say that. His intent was to conceal the truth . . . to deceive. So you have to allow for a technicality to violate the principle. Theocratic warfare is the concept I believe . . . and that technicality can even justify concealing sexual abuse. Technicalities create faulty concepts which can be used for harm as well as good. The principle of aleviating harm and facilitating good stands alone, as superior to flawed concepts.
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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how can you say you never sinned on purpose can you tell me that you never lied lusted after a women on purpose.
Your using a conceptual idea (sin) as a moral ruler. That's a stance that needs to be established, and can't be without taking the A&E account as literal. Not everybody sees it through that window.
Statistically, men lie twice as much as women, according to studies. Six times a day as opposed to three. Does that mean men have twice as much inherited sin as women? Or are they just created twice as bad? You see how quickly such a preconception comes undone?
People lie sometimes without even realising. "I've got lot's to do" when they want to depart from a conversation. Self-justification is a form of deceit with the purpose of hiding guilt or protecting ego. That can simply be a natural reaction without the purpose to do harm. We do that sometimes dozens of times in a day without even realising . . . but it has the purpose of protecting self-worth. Sometimes people lie for a good purpose . . . to hide the truth from someone who will use it to do harm to them. The sin concept is too simple to account for all scenarios.
Sexual attraction is a natural response. If it didn't exist we would have been extinct 200,000 years ago. How's that a sin? It has a good purpose. Just because someone of the opposite sex is sexually attractive and stimulates a natural reaction . . . doesn't mean the same as shagging them in the supermarket carpark. Sin creates badness and guilt where it shouldn't exist IMO. Behaviour that either harms or benefit's others without the distorting rules derived from the sin concept, is a more simple and reliable moral guide. Any belief that distorts natural empathy to inflict harm is inferior IMO . . . such as homophobia or gender inequality . . . which some see as OK.
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How important is evidence to your world view?
by snare&racket inhow important is evidence to your world view?.
if you had to make a decision on a fact being true, what would be the deciding factor for you... your feelings and faith, scriptural statement or evidence presented by modern science?.
would scripture trump evidence, or would faith trump scripture etc .
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Anything metaphysical is really in the category of speculation . . . so apart from the mental stimulation of indulging a sense of wonder, it has no effect on my world view. Everybody's world view contains gaps where the unknown resides, and it seems foolish to me to change a world view on account of speculative imaginings.
Evidential proof pretty much shapes it. Anything beyond that clouds rather than clarifies. As far as actual evidence is concerned, quality is as important as quantity. It sometimes only takes one or two examples of strong evidence to disqualify a whole alternative world view. Chronology, for example, renders the OT account of the earths "creation" as entirely allegorical . . . myth. A polite word for bullshit.
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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Why do we sin? . . . it's inherited . . . Adamic
Spiritual sin and physical sin were one and the same for Adam . . . disobedience (spiritual) meant decay and death (physical). Adam, the first man through whom sin entered into the world and death through sin. It's splitting hairs to create a strawman to seperate them as distinct.
If Christ's sacrifice only redeemed from spiritual sin (as expressed at the end of the chapter), then it doesn't cover physical death. Adam's sin is not fully redeemed by his sacrifice. There's no corresponding. The bread that is eaten (his body) is worthless.
Now I'm repeating myself, which is a repetitive action, which gives me a headache.
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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We're sinners because of inherited sin . . . if we didn't inherit it we wouldn't need the benefit of the ransom . . . we'd be perfect. Paul called it our "inner nature" an inherited flaw that all the learning in the world couldn't negate no matter how he tried. He praised the provision of Christ at the end of Rom 7. Inherited from who? . . . Adam. Christ was called the second Adam, a corresponding ransom . . . so he negated sin . . . Adamic sin.
How can a ressurected person need to learn righteousness unless he still carries the adamic flaw?. Adam didn't need to learn righteousness because he was perfect. Now he has negated adamic sin, and yet ressurrected ones who return to life after the ransom is paid still need to learn righteousness . . . a huge number fail and die again.
If you can reconcile that and still make sense . . . then praise Jah or Yahweh or Jesus or the Lord or whoever you call him . . . he's given you a better brain than me. I definitely need to rest it.