The Quiet One: I found they're so backwards and ignorant when it comes to male and female relationships. That's something I couldn't deal with if I became a JW. I'll talk to and befriend females but I get along much better with boys having grown up with 4 brothers and no sisters. Also in JW world, the boys were more interesting and the conversation definitely wasn't strictly spiritual things. the girls seemed to have nothing to talk about with me, a study, other than "Did you enjoy the talk? It was so encouraging!" and when there was a group of them together the topic of conversation was the lives of everyone else in the congregation.
Blondie: Although it's a stupid rule, i sorta understood not associating with 'worldly people', but i was interested in "the truth" and still was excluded anyway. Now I'm curious, is there any instruction not to associate with the unbaptized study, too?
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Meddling
by The Quiet One inwt july 15, 2011 page 18 paragraph 15 "meddlers in other people's affairs".
it is not our right to tell others how to run their personal affairs'' anybody here ever been told to do something/how to do something by an elder or other jw?
in regards to job situation/family for example, with no direct scriptural backing...
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Zealous JW nails description of the governing body!
by roxanesophia inrecently stopped studying, and stopped in the street to talk to a jw i met during my time studying.
we were sorta friends (well, in the small way jw's and worldlies can be) and here's how it went:.
him: "did you have a problem with someone?
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Thanks guys, you're all awesome :) He made it TOO easy, what can I say?
" also good on you for mentioning the specific website. hopefully it will linger in his mind until curiosity takes over."
I really hope he gets out, he's a really good guy who has put aside everything good in life to serve the GB. Last I heard he hasn't been at meetings and has also left town, but it wasn't announced from the platform so does that mean he didn't leave in good standing or they just couldn't care less? I've been at meetings where leaving ones were announced, even those who had already gone. I hope he left to fade. I've read here that's one way people get free, so i'm gonna be optimistic. -
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911 forgotten amongst JWs
by fade_away ini noticed over the last 10 years that in every 9/11 anniversary, jws that i know personally don't even mention it.
not a word about the anniversary.
not a compassionate comment, not a prayer....nothing.
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Yep... world events don't seem to really affect them. After the Japan earthquake, I brought up how upsetting it was and the pioneer I studied with said "I don't really have that kind of compassion" and "It's in Jehovah's hands."
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Meddling
by The Quiet One inwt july 15, 2011 page 18 paragraph 15 "meddlers in other people's affairs".
it is not our right to tell others how to run their personal affairs'' anybody here ever been told to do something/how to do something by an elder or other jw?
in regards to job situation/family for example, with no direct scriptural backing...
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ABibleStudent: "My former devout JW friend was told not to associate with me shortly after we first met. According to my former friend, her spiritual father, an elder, said it out of concern and love for her. I do not know what the elder said, but I do know that the elder never met me and probably said it to my former friend because I am a 'Worldly' person."
Same thing happened to me, and i think its an odd practice. The lack of trust is a poor foundation for a friendship. My study teacher (also an elder's daughter) pretty much told me "You're not one of us yet" and still wouldn't hang out with me even though she knew I had abandoned my worldly friends. I was still worldly to a JW, though. The rare party i did get invited to was always frosty because my presence would upset at least one JW there. But being excluded didn't make me want to get baptized any faster... feeling like they didn't want me around (even if they were only obeying the 'rules') only expanded the gap between me and them and going to hall got uncomfortable because of it, so it didn't work to their advantage. I was lovebombed at the KH initially but it all cooled off when i wasn't progressing fast enough for their liking and who's to say anything would heat up after baptism anyway. I don't even know who really would have been my friend had i got baptized because some people did seem to genuinely like me but held back from associating with me. I have an inkling you become even worse in a JW's eyes when you studied for a long time, and have regular meeting attendance but don't progress past that without good reason. Not that there is any good reason when it comes to not doing Jehovah's will.
You're right that an elder most likely got in her ear about it, if not just another zealous JW. In my experience, there are different kinds of dubs. Some would say to me after meetings "You coming with us tonight?" which was always awful because i hadn't been told a thing about "tonight." because my teacher & her closest friends were the zealous ones. I can't tell you how many times I was so blatantly excluded. And when i did hang out with them, it was never really a good time because we didn't have anything much in common. The only relaxing time i had at a party was spent talking to another study who had been invited and who i convinced not to get baptized. She never came back to the hall, either. The fact that we were left to talk together for hours with no one coming over to include us in anything or say hi just goes to show how the JW's there felt about associating with studies.
On the subject of meddling, talking to the opposite sex in the KH. OH GOD the scrutiny and the obvious attempts to get brother reformed-wild-child-now-highly-esteemed-pioneer-MS away from spiritually weak worldly girl. One woman yelled out that she had to talk to him and refused to come to him, like she was a 3 year old throwing a tantrum and an old guy nearby us pretty much did the same thing, repeatedly yelling out "She wants to see you. OVER THERE." Subtley eludes them. We were discussing "the truth" anyway and he was probably counting his time. Another woman who'd never met me came over and asked me "Are you his girlfriend?" (Uh, hi, how are you? or introducing herself would have been nice) as if to say we looked that intimate. LOL. Talk about wanting to run, not walk, out of the kingdom hall. -
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Zealous JW nails description of the governing body!
by roxanesophia inrecently stopped studying, and stopped in the street to talk to a jw i met during my time studying.
we were sorta friends (well, in the small way jw's and worldlies can be) and here's how it went:.
him: "did you have a problem with someone?
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Thanks guys, I definitely got a kick out of it, and I'm not getting my hopes up and making assumptions but this guy was really something valuable to the local congregation and has suddenly left town and i'd like to think he's planning an exit.
One of the studies i met in the KH is someone i'm still in touch with (and she says she's NEVER getting baptized) and she asked me if it's announced at meetings if someone leaves the cong for reasons other than "John Black is no longer a Jehovah's Witness."He's leaving or might have already left, just waiting for the announcement, is there one for that? -
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Zealous JW nails description of the governing body!
by roxanesophia inrecently stopped studying, and stopped in the street to talk to a jw i met during my time studying.
we were sorta friends (well, in the small way jw's and worldlies can be) and here's how it went:.
him: "did you have a problem with someone?
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Recently stopped studying, and stopped in the street to talk to a JW i met during my time studying. We were sorta friends (well, in the small way JW's and worldlies can be) and here's how it went:
Him: "Did you have a problem with someone? You can't judge the whole organization on that person and you can't expect perfection in individuals."
(why do JW's always jump to problem with an individual when you don't want to be involved with them anymore?!)
Me: "No, I like the people. It's the organization you listen to that i have utter contempt for and jwfacts.com opened my eyes to the truth about it."
Him: "Ahhhh. They're the apostate websites we're always being warned against visiting. It's a shame that's what is swaying you. These people are disgruntled and left Jehovah and they're only out to make life hard for you."
Me: "If it was the truth, the governing body wouldn't be threatened at all by any websites. The fact they're running scared and still claim to be the truth is hard for me to swallow. There would be nothing hidden that they were afraid of being uncovered. Yeah I could have just accepted the organization's teachings and be one of you by now, but sorry, common sense says you don't commit to something without a thorough background check"
Him: "It's an instruction to ignore apostate websites because the governing body are aware that people are ignorant and easily misled."
Me: "Ha! I bet they're aware people are gullible. They started a religion, didn't they?" -
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Stupid suggestion from Study Conductor
by roxanesophia inhi everyone, first i just want to say if it wasn't this forum, i'd be baptized!
i haven't managed to successfully end my studies with a zealous jw.
she uses everything against me to brainwash me into believing i need the org.
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Someone here suggested to ask her if she can name one negative thing about the cult and if she couldn't it was indeed a cult. Sure enough I said “if we were to focus on the flaws..” And she interrupted me with “but there are no flaws” LOL. Oh boy. So I emailed her and some other JWs this little something I came up with. Claim to have the truth and you're better than me / won't let me walk away with my dignity/ but I gotta tell you its you who was misled / the men at the top have left you for dead/ wasting precious time on a futile cause / spreading vicious lies and expecting applause / the truth escapes you/ can't you see/ that you're the victim of the devil's mockery Drop that bookbag and run/ the man behind the door aint got a gun/ but he's got a book to prove you wrong/ run away your faith in twelve faceless men ain't that strong Accuse me of being an apostate/ convinced that you're entering through the narrow gate/ but the broad road to destruction is the doctrine of men/ you're no different to the churches you condemn/ wake up and smell the coffee before its too late/ or will it take another failed dooms date? / ah that was therapeutic :) The book I'm referring to is the bible since it indeed proves them wrong.
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Stupid suggestion from Study Conductor
by roxanesophia inhi everyone, first i just want to say if it wasn't this forum, i'd be baptized!
i haven't managed to successfully end my studies with a zealous jw.
she uses everything against me to brainwash me into believing i need the org.
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Oh,and sorry for the double post but i had to get this thought down before i forgot it and i can't edit my post...
The anglo-american power isn't even a reality, but an entirely fictious world power designed to fit watchtower prophecy???? Excuse my ignorance re: politics. -
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Stupid suggestion from Study Conductor
by roxanesophia inhi everyone, first i just want to say if it wasn't this forum, i'd be baptized!
i haven't managed to successfully end my studies with a zealous jw.
she uses everything against me to brainwash me into believing i need the org.
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"'New light' = new revealed 'truth.' Often it's been found that 'new light' is rehashed 'old light' that was temporarily discarded in favor of 'newer light' but which has then been discovered not to be 'light' after all. You follow? ;-)"
Haha, yeah I'm with ya... and like all things JW it's ridiculous. Truth is truth is truth! It never becomes not truth, a lie is always a lie, if YOU follow ;-)
"The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established"
Ah! yes! They have mentioned this to me before as if the flip flops are entirely justifiable because of it. But the scripture has nothing to do with doctrine changes when it's read in context, does it?
" Watch Tower publications also say that unfulfilled expectations are partly due to eagerness for God's Kingdom "
I've heard that one before, too! I could almost have bought it, until I researched it more and they were claiming them as definite prophecies. Thats when i knew God had nothing to do with the org, because there's a scripture about if something doesn't come to pass, the prophet is a liar. Plus, it makes the watchtower look no different to nutcases like Harold Camping. I've heard witnesses mocking him and his doomsday predictions, too. How ironic.
LOL punkofnice, i love the art. And it's true, every one of them is ALWAYS better than the last.
I'd just love to hear one of them say "It was the most boring shit I ever sat through."
"You should ask her if she can name three things she does not like about Jehovah's Witnesses. If she can't, she's in a cult."
That's such an excellent question. So far she has nothing but positive things to say. Even saying "If you're out in a restaurant, and there's a table of witnesses, they're always the happiest people in the room." Apparently no human on earth's happiness can compare to the happiness of a Jehovah's Witness.
"What did the Toes on a Statue mean?..
Answer:"Nothing"..
LOL, exactly. She said there wasn't enough time (what, in 3 days!?) for the speaker to go into it, but it was the weakened anglo american power. I brought up something i learned about revelation, implying the witnesses have it wrong, and she snapped "DON'T listen to other people! They don't even know the Bible."
Thanks so much for all the links, ziddina. Amazing how much to this corrupt organization there really is.
" Shove it in her face and make her feel GUILTY."
Yeah, i was considering telling her I forgive her for wasting my time, filling me with false hope, teaching me the lies of a religion I almost became emotionally attached to, that she hasn't even bothered to research on her own, figuring that should plant a seed. I did tell her I am going to read the book Crisis of Conscience. She said "don't waste your time, you know it's the truth." (she stresses "you know it's the truth" a lot) So i said "If it's the truth, it'll stand on it's own, and the book will be proven to be rubbish. So there's no harm in me reading it." She's always telling me i obviously don't trust Jehovah enough to look after me when I'm door knocking, since I haven't done it, so I said "If I'm wrong to read this book as you say and it puts me on the broad road to destruction, I'm going to trust that Jehovah will direct me back to the narrow road, that you say is you."
But most of the time when I talk to her, I feel like I'm trying to hold water in my hands. She has an answer for everything and for some reason i always come out looking & feeling like the stupid one.
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Stupid suggestion from Study Conductor
by roxanesophia inhi everyone, first i just want to say if it wasn't this forum, i'd be baptized!
i haven't managed to successfully end my studies with a zealous jw.
she uses everything against me to brainwash me into believing i need the org.
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Everyone's words of encouragement, and advice is helping A LOT, so a million thank you's for that.
Black Sheep: that's a great suggestion, and it's exactly what I wanted to do: anti witness. I'm sure you've all had the same yearning to tell people the truth about the truth. I know I do. If I could save ONE person i met in the hall from the Watchtower, I'd be happy.More updates: She came around to talk to me all about the convention. How it was the "greatest one ever", how I "really missed out", how "new light" was revealed. Then she said "All through the past, the slave class knew things before they happened. So if the slave class is saying the end is very soon, we know it must be."
What is "new light?" supposed to mean?