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MAJOR TV SHOW TO DISCUSS JW CHILD ABUSE

by Scully in

major canadian tv show to discuss jw child

abuse scandal

this is to alert the jw world that a major tv documentary is set to go in canada on the jw child sex abuse issue.

MacHislopp

Hello Scully,

thanks for the excellent info.

So in a short while: Danemark; United Kingdom,

Germany, USA, and now Canada.

I'm sure that all this coverage will (at least

should) open many eyes ..and hearts.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

6

JW lawsuit on CNN!!!

by VeniceIT in

jw
friends

cnn's readerboard tonight said something to this effect.

"4 women sue jw's claiming they were molested by a nv leader, and that the church covered it up".

also mentioned.

MacHislopp

Hello VeniceIt and Gerard,

thanks for the information! Great, more skeletons are comingout of the

WTBS secret cupboards..

Jimbob: good comment about J.R. Brown .."Church spokesman ",

i do like that but he should rather be called...father J.R.Brown!

Golden Girl: Good point! I wrote about this sometime agao and I

can assure you that 98/ of the JW don't know that the WBTS

refers in the Press and in front of "secular authorities" as

- a CHURCH - !

This new and the similar event that ais going on TV

show in Germany...Europe will more informed.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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The Order of Special Full-Time Servants

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

what is "the order of special full-time servants"?.

*** yearbook 1995, pages 5-6 ***.

*** yearbook 1996, pages 8-9 ***.

MacHislopp

Hello Undisfellowshipped, Metatron and Benext,

Just as a reminder - maybe for you - surely for many others
I'm posting the full article - mentioned the first time
by Kent on the main topic United Nations
on the 27th August 2001 -

It contains many interestings facts about the WTBS situation in Europe.
I'm sure that many of the things stated, presented by Philip Brumley, -General
Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses - are unknown to the vast majority of JWs
even in Europe and some of the " words and phrases chosen will surprise many of you. Here are some ex.

-deny religious status to Jehovahs Witnesses
(in France);

- refused recognition to Jehovahs Witnesses as a "public law" corporation(in Germany);

- special religious category called "confessional community."(in Austria);

- "we are now required to wait an additional 10-year probationary period before we may once again apply for recognition as a religion." (in Austria);

- "members of religious orders" (in Sweden);

- "within the context of a monastic arrangement" (in Sweden);

- " Instead of recognizing the monastic nature of our office in Sweden,"(in Sweden).-

For those who whish to search directly in the web, this is the link:

< http://www.house.gov/international_relations/full/relminor/brumley.htm

which had the following informations.

"
HEARING BY HOUSE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
Rayburn House Office Building
June 14, 2000
THE TREATMENT OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN WESTERN EUROPE"

Effect on Institutional Level and Personal Lives

Presented by Philip Brumley
General Counsel for Jehovahs Witnesses

INTRODUCTION

Fifty-seven years ago on this very dayJune 14, the nations annual Flag Daythe Supreme Court handed down one of its most historic decisions: West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette. Speaking for the Court, Justice Jackson stated: "If there is any fixed star in our Constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." This ruling guaranteed religious freedom for Jehovahs Witnesses in connection with our Bible-based belief that saluting any flag violates Gods demand for exclusive devotion.
Even though most citizens do not agree with our doctrinal stand on this issue, the fact remains that the United States has gone on record that it will defend our right to adhere to this belief. In contrast, many nations of Western Europe are becoming increasingly equivocal about whether they will protect genuine freedom of worship.
When governments determine that religious beliefs do not meet standards of "loyalty" to the State or constitute a breach of public order and withhold religious recognition or registration, where does that lead us? Will governments next dictate what beliefs are acceptable in democratic societies? When governments fail to acknowledge any distinction between commercial enterprises and voluntary, self-sacrificing endeavors to promote humanitarian, religious endeavors, what will happen to the concept of charities? Will volunteerism be taxed out of existence? Can a government legitimately assert that it protects religion freedom when at the same time it uses its taxing power to oppress those who belong to certain religions?
We will provide some details of these trends using France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, and Sweden as examples. The following facts speak for themselves and document the current state of the basic human right of religious self-determination in Western Europe.

DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN FRANCE

Records show that Jehovahs Witnesses have been active in France since 1891. This spring more than 204,000 attended the most sacred celebration of the year for Jehovahs Witnesses, the Memorial of Christs death. Certainly Jehovahs Witnesses are not a "new" religious movement and can hardly be called a "minority" religion when we are the third-largest Christian religion in France.
The recent attempt of the French government to officially deny religious status to Jehovahs Witnesses began with an adverse ruling by the Conseil dEtat in a 1985 inheritance case. (The French will aver that, under the rubric of the "wall of separation of Church and State," the French government grants official recognition to no religion. However, the facts speak otherwise. Recognized religions are extended benefits, such as being able to receive charitable bequests.) The Conseil dEtat refused to allow one of Jehovahs Witnesses to leave a portion of her estate to the Association of Jehovahs Witnesses in France because the court did not agree with our doctrinal rejection of blood transfusions and refusal to participate in military service. The fact that there are 3,000 French doctors who are willing to operate without blood completely eviscerates the first basis for the courts ruling. The passing of a law on alternative non-military service in France that provides a conscientiously acceptable method for young Jehovahs Witnesses to render Caesar his due does away with the other reason for the Courts refusal to recognize the legitimacy of the faith of Jehovahs Witnesses in France.
In spite of these favorable developments, the French Parliamentary Commissions on Sects have made the situation worse by issuing biased reports containing lists of supposedly "dangerous sects" and including Jehovahs Witnesses among them.
Institutional Consequences:
A direct result of the discriminatory treatment toward Jehovahs Witnesses in France is a 60-percent tax that has been levied on donations received by the Association of Jehovahs Witnesses in France. Next week, on June 20, 2000, a hearing is scheduled in Nanterre on this matter. Supreme Court Justice John Marshall wisely observed: "The power to tax involves the power to destroy." Although governments are fully authorized, both Biblically and secularly, to tax their constituents, this particular tax has no other purpose but to make it impossible for Jehovahs Witnesses in France to financially support the operations of their own faith. That means 60 cents of each dollar contributed to support our annual Bible conventions, operate our Kingdom Halls (houses of worship), and fund national relief measures will go to the French government. Only forty cents on the dollar will be left to use for the charitable reason for which it was given. No religion could financially continue to operate under such a punitive tax.
To our knowledge, no other religion is being taxed 60-percent on personal contributions made in good faith to their church. Instead, other religions enjoy tax exemptions granted by the Conseil dEtat. Not even most minority religions are taxedin fact, we are only aware of one other case where personal donations to a religious association have been questioned. The French tax authorities have clearly indicated at the conclusion of their 1996 and 1997 audits that the association that is now being exorbitantly taxed "participates in the maintenance and practice of Jehovahs Witnesses form of worship." Those audits established the not-for-profit nature of the associations used by Jehovahs Witnesses. Recently, an audit by the international firm of Grant Thornton likewise established the not-for-profit character of all associations used by Jehovahs Witnesses in France.
Upholding the religious nature of Jehovahs Witnesses associations, there have recently been four favorable Courts of Appeals decisions exempting Kingdom Halls of Jehovahs Witnesses (houses of worship) from paying land (property) tax. This is part of the process established in France to grant religious recognition. Needless to say, French authorities have appealed all four cases which means that this issue will ultimately be heard by the Conseil dEtat. Should that court rule in favor of religious freedom as Justice Jacksons court did in this country in 1943, it will not be necessary for us to pursue this matter to the European Court of Human Rights.
Personal Consequences:
The negative effects on a personal level from the parliamentary mislabeling of Jehovahs Witnesses as a "dangerous sect" are widespread. Schoolteachers and day care workers who are Jehovahs Witnesses have been targets of smear campaigns, unwanted job transfers, or have been fired because they were perceived as being a threat to the safety, morals, and education of children under their care only because of belonging to a supposed "sect."
A new aspect of the consequences on a personal level is illustrated in the case of Ren Schneerberger, a minister of Jehovahs Witnesses, who has been corresponding regularly with inmates in the French prison system to provide spiritual guidance. Some prisoners, who are not Jehovahs Witnesses, requested subscriptions from Ren to The Watchtower and Awake!, the official journals of Jehovahs Witnesses. In October 1999, the prisoners advised Mr. Schneerberger that they were no longer receiving these religious magazines. The reason given by the director of the Bapaume prison was that the magazines were suspended because of the "sectarian" nature of Jehovahs Witnesses as "recognized by the parliamentary commissions." The suspension has not been lifted.
DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN BELGIUM

Belgiums roots with Jehovahs Witnesses also trace back to 1891. At the Memorial celebration of Christs death held this spring, there were more than 46,000 in attendance.
Belgium also had its parliamentary commissions and reports on sects in 1997 with ongoing consequences. Although Jehovahs Witnesses have no "institutional consequences" as a result of being included in the discriminatory list of sects that was published, there are effects on a personal level.
In some schools of the French-speaking community in Belgium, students who are Jehovahs Witnesses are feeling the effect of being perceived as belonging to a "dangerous sect." For example, a teacher in the Ecole des Pagodes issued a paper for class discussions that said: "In Belgium, there are 189 variable dangerous sects and 37 are hard-core ones, such asJehovahs Witnesses [among others]."
In child custody disputes, some judges have a high regard for Jehovahs Witnesses and have granted custody to the Witness parents and rejected the allegation of opposing parties who claim that Jehovahs Witnesses are dangerous. But note what was stated in two cases in the Flemish section of Belgium:
"It constitutes a grave danger for the children taking into account the influence of the Jehovah-sect" of which the mother seems to be a member.
"Jehovahs Witnesses are not to be viewed as a religion but as a movement of fanatics."
DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN GERMANY

In 1891, Jehovahs Witnesses became established in Germany. This year over 276,000 attended the Memorial of Christs deathagain not a new religion and not an insignificant minority. In the not-too-distant past, Jehovahs Witnesses survived the Nazi concentration camps and Communist persecution on German soil.

The right of Jehovahs Witnesses to remain neutral in politics has again become the focus of a legal struggle over our right to have the same legal status that is granted to other recognized religions. The denial of this favored status to Jehovahs Witnesses is based on our Bible-based and historical stand of not electing individuals to political office. Recall that Jesus told Pilate: "My kingdom is no part of this world." The German State has determined that this is not an acceptable belief in a democratic society. Since freedom of conscience and belief is one of the most basic and universally protected human rights, what should have been a mere logistical formality has transcended into a human rights struggle.

Institutional Consequences:

The Federal Administrative Court made a decision that has far-reaching consequences for Jehovahs Witnesses in Germany. They reversed two lower court decisions and refused recognition to Jehovahs Witnesses as a "public law" corporation. Jehovahs Witnesses had fulfilled all designated requirements, but the State introduced a new element when considering our application. It was decided that Jehovahs Witnesses do not have the degree of loyalty required by the German State to extend favorable-status treatment. This decision is based on the fact that historically Jehovahs Witnesses refrain from participation in political elections or holding political office. Not even the German Constitution requires mandatory participation by all citizens in the electoral process, but evidently the Federal Administrative Court requires this of Jehovahs Witnesses. We have contested this decision through a complaint to the Constitutional Court.
Due to this federal-level decision, the finance authorities then took the unwarranted step to rescind the permanent nature of tax exemptions granted to associations owning the houses of worship for Jehovahs Witnesses in Germany. These authorities, in anticipation of a negative outcome, are poised to declassify Jehovahs Witnesses corporations as not being of "common benefit." If an adverse ruling is handed down, every Kingdom Hall in Germany will be taxed as though what goes on inside is not worship, an assertion so ludicrous that no nation could make it and still maintain that it guarantees religious freedom to those within its borders.
Personal Consequences:
The impact of the trend toward discrimination of members of minority religions is well illustrated by what happened to a family from Bergheim, where both parents are Jehovahs Witnesses. Over a period of 15 years, the Local Youth Office in Bergheim assigned about 20 foster children to this couples care. After the chairwoman of an anti-cult-movement contacted the office, they refused to renew the Witness couples permit for a baby girl to remain with them, although the baby had spent half her infant life in their care. This resulted in a two-year court battle, with the court ultimately defending the rights of the Witness parents to retain custody of the foster child and rejecting the youth offices arguments as completely unfounded. However, after the court case, the Local Youth Office has not assigned any new foster children to the care of this family. Clearly, the courts cannot legislate an end to prejudice.
DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN AUSTRIA
Jehovahs Witnesses began their preaching in Austria in 1891. In April 2000, over 33,000 joined them in their sacred annual Memorial of Christs death.
After 20 years of seeking to be classified as a religion in Austria and just when the courts were close to obligating the government to do so, the government passed a new law setting up a special religious category called "confessional community." We are the only religion immediately affected by this law. Under this new law, we are now required to wait an additional 10-year probationary period before we may once again apply for recognition as a religion. As a result, this new law automatically and deliberately extends Jehovahs Witnesses 20-year struggle into a 30-year wait. In the meantime, a new complaint by Jehovahs Witnesses is pending with the Austrian Constitutional Court concerning the new law that created this multi-tiered religious classification system.
Institutional Consequences:
The classification of "confessional community" does not allow for performance of marriage rites, pastoral visits to hospitals or prisons, recognition of ministers who are free from military and civil service, or tax advantages.
Showing that not all Austrian officials share the same viewpoint, last fall the Austrian Constitutional Court handed down a favorable decision regarding the pastoral care of a prisoner. This decision influenced the Federal Ministry of Justice to make a provision for Jehovahs Witnesses to visit prisoners who request assistance from us.
Personal Consequences:
To illustrate the impact on peoples daily lives, we offer two examples from Austria. A woman who is one of Jehovahs Witnesses applied for an apartment in a village. The mayor of that village has a say on such decisions. At a meeting with the mayor, both parties came to an oral agreement. Upon departing the mayor asked in passing: "You do not belong to a sect, do you?" The woman said: "I am one of Jehovahs Witnesses." The mayor did not say anything, but was visibly shocked. Later the Witness was told that the apartment had to be given to someone else.
At times, when seeking work, a trial period or preliminary tests are required for all applicants. The results of such trial periods have often been very positive for applicants who are Jehovahs Witnesses. Employers have advised them that they are very pleased with their work. However, when employers learn afterwards that the applicant is one of Jehovahs Witnesses, all interest in hiring them is dropped. Most employers have only expressed their reluctance verbally, but one letter explicitly stated: "We thank you for your application but we are sorry to have to tell you that based on our long experience we do not employ persons belonging to any kind of sect."
DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN SWEDEN
The work of Jehovahs Witnesses began in Sweden in 1886. This year over 36,700 joined together in the annual celebration of the Memorial of Christs death.
Sweden just instituted an arrangement for registering religions, thus ending the existence of one official State religion. We are pleased to report that on March 13, 2000, the government registered Jehovahs Witnesses as a religious community. However, Swedens labor and tax laws evidently make no exceptions for members of religious orders or other religious workers. Because of a lack of any acknowledgment of "volunteerism" even based on religious devotion, the Swedish government is in effect dictating how much time and energy one can devote to godly endeavors within the context of a monastic arrangement. In fact, other religions in Sweden no longer have volunteers, but have to rely on an employed staff under central collective agreements with labor unions. For Jehovahs Witnesses, volunteering our time and energy to promote true worship is the whole-souled sacrifice that we desire to make to God.

Institutional Consequences:
In most nations Jehovahs Witnesses have a national office that coordinates, under the direction of the Governing Body in New York, the religious activities of adherents in that land. Those serving in these offices belong to a religious order and provide their services free of charge. This inures to the benefit of Jehovahs Witnesses worldwide by keeping the cost of our religious endeavors to a minimum. Instead of recognizing the monastic nature of our office in Sweden, the authorities there are obligating each member of that office to pay a tax on any service he or she receives from others who also serve there. Labors of love, such as cooking, cleaning, or doing the laundry, contribute to a family environment and expedite efforts of others to translate and distribute our religious literature, and organize the worship of Jehovahs Witnesses throughout Sweden. These helpful endeavors are being assessed at the current "market value," that is, what it would cost to commercially obtain such services. Thus, they have become prohibitively expensive to those benefiting from those services, although no one is being paid. For example, a volunteer member of our religious order in Sweden receives approximately $100 to reimburse him for personal expenses incurred during the month. The tax imposed adds up to $937, almost 10 times the cash income that he receives.
By requiring a tax for volunteer effortsanything perceived as a personal servicethe government has equated the self-sacrificing, religiously-motivated lifestyle of members of the coordinating office of Jehovahs Witnesses in Sweden with wealthy individuals who pay for such services. As a result of this attempt to secularize the religious activities of what takes place at our office in Sweden, we may have to drastically reduce the number of volunteers who serve there.
Keeping this situation in mind, you may recall a Biblical event involving Jesus and Mary, the sister of Lazarus. Matthew, Mark and John all record the event, which took place not long before Jesus died. The account at Mark 14:3-8 states, in part: "A woman came with an alabaster case of perfumed oil, genuine nard, very expensive. Breaking open the alabaster case she began to pour it upon his head." Many of Jesus followers objected to this act of kindness because of the cost of the gift. Jesus reprimanded them saying, "Let her alone. She did a fine deed toward me. She did what she could." The account estimates that Marys gift of personal service cost 300 denarii, which was the equivalent of a years wages. If Mary had attempted to render such a service today, Sweden would require Jesus to pay a tax of 10 times the value of the gift for Marys personal service, i.e., 3,000 denarii in cash. Mary would have been precluded from rendering the service to Jesus and our Lord would have been precluded from accepting it. What Jesus called "a fine deed" would never have taken place. This well illustrates the dilemma facing our religious order in Sweden.
Unhappily, this situation is not limited to Sweden, but is becoming more frequent throughout Western Europe.
Personal Consequences:
A case in point is a graduate of our missionary training school who has been serving voluntarily in Sweden since 1961. She has devoted her life to her religious work. She has acquired decades of experience as a translator of Bible literature. Now she has been forced to reduce the amount of time she formerly devoted to translation to cook her own meals, care for her own laundry, and clean her own room because she cannot afford the prohibitive tax that would be imposed if others were to care for those needs, as is routinely done in other branch offices of Jehovahs Witnesses throughout the world.
In another case, a skilled worker had to decline participation in a renovation project of a house of worship. He wanted to donate his time, all costs involved with travel, and use of his tools to the project, but decided he could not afford to pay the high daily tax for the simple meals that would be prepared and served for free by members of the congregation.
CONCLUSION
The concept of legally legitimizing religious discrimination is fraught with problems, legally and morally. Yet that is what happens when nations adopt a multi-tiered system of religious recognition. International agreements have attempted to eliminate discrimination due to religious belief, but as we have seen, it still goes on. A new and worrisome trend in Europe is the refusal to recognize the religious nature of activities performed by volunteers. European labor and tax authorities are arbitrarily imposing an "employer/employee" relationship to the religious activities engaged in by those of Jehovahs Witnesses who are privileged to become members of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, as our international religious order is known. Interestingly, the Supreme Administrative Court of Brazil ruled that members of our religious order in that land are not subject to taxes imposed on employees since the activities involved were religiously motivated rather than of a pecuniary nature. Are governments, who laud religious freedom and human rights on the one hand, acting consequentially when they limit "religious activities" to what they narrowly and arbitrarily define as "worship"? What is the solution?
Personally, I am eagerly awaiting the fulfillment of the promise contained here in the Bible, in Isaiah 32:16 through 18, which says: "And in the wilderness justice will certainly reside, and in the orchard righteousness itself will dwell. And the work of the [true] righteousness must become peace; and the service of the [true] righteousness, quietness and security to time indefinite. And my people must dwell in a peaceful abiding place and in residences of full confidence and in undisturbed resting-places."
Until that time arrives under Gods Kingdom rule, I appeal to this committee to use its influence to protect and reinforce the universally recognized right of religious freedom in Western Europe."

I'm sure that most of you will find these informations quite useful.

Btw, sometime ago I did relate this info to a friend he couldn't

believe it, expecially the part about Sweden.impossible he said ..

you're joking!!! Well , Philip Brumley wasn't joking ...or was he ???

Greetings to you all, , James Charles MacHislopp

2

" Biblical TRUTHS " . from the ...

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

following an interesting discussion i would like to share the following information, which i did usein the attempt to give an accurate but rather quick answer.

considering that the wtbs wrote: .

the watchtower and awake!-timely journals of truth

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Following an interesting discussion I would like to share the following information, which I did usein the attempt to give an accurate but rather quick answer.

Considering that the WTBS wrote:

1) *** w94 1/1 20 The Watchtower and Awake!-Timely Journals of Truth

Magazines That Advocate Truth

3 Jehovah is the God of truth. (Psalm 31:5) His Word, the Bible, is a book of truth. (John 17:17) Honesthearted people respond to truth. (Compare John 4:23, 24.) One reason that The Watchtower and Awake! have touched the hearts of millions of readers is that they are journals of integrity and truth. In fact, it was over the issue of loyalty to Bible truth that The Watchtower began to be published."

And:

2) *** w99 3/15 12 Pay Constant Attention to Your Teaching ***

Make it a habit to read each issue of The Watchtower and Awake! as soon as it is received. Pay close attention at congregation meetings. Learn to do careful research. By learning to trace all things with accuracy, you can avoid exaggerations and inaccuracies when you teach.Luke 1:3.

And also, more recently, writing about " a mature Christian "

3) "He does not advocate or insist on personal opinion or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather , he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son , Jesus Christ , and "the faithful and discreet slave"

("The Watchtower " August 1 st , 2001 page 14 paragraph 8 )

and then come out with such articles on ."journals of integrity and truth."

a) *** w72 2/1 79 Fully Accepting the Challenge of Jehovah's Service

JEHOVAH IS DISPLEASED WITH HIS WOMAN

The Naomi remnant came into a condition like that, particularly in the year 1918,

when they were, in a sense, exiled from Jehovah Gods favor. In that year Jehovah God came to his temple suddenly, accompanied by the messenger of the covenant, the Lord Jesus Christ.

He examined the remnant here upon earth; he was displeased with them. (Mal. 3:1, 2)

For a time they were not fully accepting the challenge of Jehovahs Kingdom service that had opened up to them.

They were holding back, through fear of man and were not properly keeping themselves unspotted from the world. (Jas. 1:27, Authorized Version)

Therefore Jehovah let them go into bondage to Babylon the Great and her political associates."

Look what "God's own channel on earth"

wrote about the same subjectonly 21 years later:

b) *** w93 5/1 17 Expanded Activities During Christ's Presence

6 From the time Christs presence began and down to 1918, the slave class, despite unpopularity, persecution, and even some confusion, had been seeking to give timely food to the domestics.

This is what the Master found when his inspection began.

The Lord Jesus was pleased, and in 1919 he pronounced that faithful approved slave class happy.

What was the slaves delightful reward for doing what his Master had appointed him to do? A promotion! "

Then we wonder why so many are simply disgusted.

Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp

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lying decievers and their methods

by refiners fire in

1922 certainly was a good year for watchtowers.

many of them were fascinating reading for an observant student of watchtower history.

recurring subjects that year revolved around russells chronology and the dogmatic insistance that russells dates were divinely inspired.

MacHislopp

Hello Refinersfire,

excellent quotes. I'll come back with more comments.

Thanks, J.C.MacHislopp

84

Officially Disassociated Tonight

by Princess in

jw
friends

steve and i attended our very last meeting this evening.

i wrote a thread a few weeks ago about our elder visit and their decision to announce that we were disassociated.

they agreed to wait until we returned from our vacation so i could tell my grandma who still attends via phone link and so she wouldn't have to be alone in her devastation.

MacHislopp

Hello "Princess" and Steve,

thanks for sharing the experience with us. Great action...and great pictures too!

All the best to you both,

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

P.S. I do agree with Nicolau...quite an empty Hall...as usual, like in many other places.

A good comment from your Mum.

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NEED URGENT INFO NOW - HEMOPURE

by Scully in

i'm at work right now and i have been asked to help.

a jw patient will probably die during surgery if she does not accept blood.

to the best of my knowledge the hlc is not aware of her presence in hospital, and her non-jw family wants to know what she can have.. how does the family get in touch with the hlc in the area?

MacHislopp

Hello Scully,

I do hope that this will help you.

Here is a report from one of the centers participating in the Phase III
clinical trial of HemoPure - the bovine based hemoglobin blood
substitute permitted by the Watchtower Society and presently in use in South Africa.

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=bpur&script=410&layout=7&item_id=251540

Biopure Corporation (ticker: BPUR, exchange: NASDAQ) News Release - 1/27/2002

Single Center Results From Hemopure(R) Pivotal Phase III Clinical Trial Presented at Critical Care Meeting

CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Jan. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- A University of California clinical investigator today reported study results from one of the medical centers that participated in Biopure Corporation's pivotal Phase III clinical trial of Hemopure(R) [hemoglobin glutamer - 250 (bovine), or HBOC-201]. The results, from UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, Cal., were reported as a poster presentation at the Society of Critical Care Medicine's 31st Annual Congress in San Diego, Cal.

The Phase III trial is a multinational, randomized, red blood cell controlled, single-blind, parallel-group study designed to assess Hemopure as an alternative to allogeneic red blood cell transfusion in patients undergoing elective orthopedic surgery. The data from UC Davis represent 35 of the 688 patients treated in the trial. The two hypotheses of the poster presentation are that at least 35 percent of patients receiving Hemopure will avoid red blood cell transfusion for up to six weeks post surgery and that the safety and tolerability of Hemopure in this patient population are similar to those of patients receiving red blood cells.

"At our site Hemopure was well tolerated, eliminated the need for red blood cell transfusion in about half of the patients who received the product and significantly reduced overall blood usage compared to the control group," said Jonathan S. Jahr, M.D., the principal investigator at UC Davis during the trial who is now Professor of Anesthesiology and Director of Clinical Research at the UCLA Department of Anesthesiology. "I'm optimistic that these results may support this compound's use as an oxygen 'bridge' in elective surgery patients who are acutely anemic, although the sample size at our site was too small to draw definitive conclusions. I look forward to reporting more comprehensive data at upcoming medical meetings beginning in March."

Site Results

Of the 35 patients enrolled at UC Davis, 19 received Hemopure and 16 received allogeneic red blood cells. Results show an avoidance of red blood cell transfusions in 47 percent of the Hemopure-treated patients (n=9) at 42 days post surgery, 58 percent (n=11) at one week post surgery and 100 percent (n=19) on the day of surgery. The mean number of red blood cell units administered in the Hemopure group (1.3 units) was significantly smaller than in the control group (3.1 units). The two groups had similar median total hemoglobin levels and median hematocrit levels (red blood cell volume as a percentage of blood volume) at the time of discharge from the hospital and at the six-week follow-up time point.

The hemodynamic results showed transient, slight to modest increases in blood pressure in the Hemopure group compared to the red blood cell control group. The largest mean increase in mean arterial pressure (MAP) during the entire six-week follow-up period was 15.5 mm/Hg in the Hemopure group and 6.2 mm/Hg in the control group. Mean changes in MAP from pre-treatment to 30 minutes following the first infusion were similar in the Hemopure group (10.3 mm/Hg + or - 4.5) and the red blood cell control group (15.7 mm/Hg + or - 8.7).

As expected in this surgical patient population, the clinical chemistry parameters fluctuated over time. Median blood urea nitrogen and creatinine values (measures of renal function) showed no clinically significant differences in the two treatment groups from baseline to the six-week follow up. Median serum enzyme levels for lipase (a pancreatic enzyme), aspartate transaminase and alanine transaminase (liver enzymes) were also similar for both treatment groups. Median troponin levels (a measure of cardiac ischemia) in the Hemopure group remained within the normal range. Because of the small sample sizes, medians rather than means were used to describe data.

Adverse events (MedDRA coded) that occurred in more than 10 percent of the Hemopure-treated patients (> or = 2 patients) included anemia (low red blood cell count), abdominal distension, constipation, diarrhea, dyspepsia (heartburn), ileus (intestinal inflammation), nausea, vomiting, chest pain, fatigue, inadequate analgesia (pain relief), edema (fluid retention), pyrexia (fever), weakness, increased lipase, muscle spasms, pain in limb, dizziness, headache, hypoaesthesia (reduced sensitivity to stimuli), insomnia, anxiety, hematuria (blood in urine), oliguria (low urine output), urinary retention, decreased breath sounds, dyspnea (shortness of breath), hypoxia (oxygen deprivation), wheezing, pruritis (itchiness), postoperative pain, and wound drainage. Adverse events that occurred in more than 10 percent of the red blood cell patients included constipation, nausea, vomiting, exacerbated pain, increased cardiac enzymes, abnormal electrocardiogram (ECG), back pain, muscle spasms, hypoaesthesia, insomnia, anxiety, cough, pruritis, postoperative pain, and wound drainage. There were no deaths in either patient group at this site.

Study Design

Patients were randomized (1:1) to receive either Hemopure or allogeneic blood at the first transfusion decision. Patients randomized to the Hemopure group received an initial dose of two units of Hemopure and, if needed, up to eight additional units within the next six days. Patients requiring transfusion outside of these parameters were subsequently administered allogeneic blood and were not included in the blood avoidance totals. Control group patients received only standard transfusions of allogeneic blood.

To date, Hemopure has been administered to more than 800 patients in 22 completed or ongoing clinical trials at doses up to 36 units. One unit of Hemopure contains 30 grams of ultrapurified, chemically cross-linked hemoglobin in 250 milliliters of a balanced salt solution. This cross-linked hemoglobin circulates in the plasma when infused, and has a lower viscosity and more readily releases oxygen to tissues than blood. Hemopure is uniquely stable at room temperature for three years, is compatible with all blood types, and is purified through patented techniques that are validated to remove infectious agents, including bacteria, viruses, and the agents that are thought to cause transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSE).

Biopure Corporation

Biopure Corporation (Nasdaq: BPUR), headquartered in Cambridge, Mass., is a leading developer, manufacturer and supplier of a new class of pharmaceuticals, called oxygen therapeutics, which are intravenously administered to deliver oxygen to the body's tissues. Hemopure(R) [hemoglobin glutamer - 250 (bovine), or HBOC-201] is approved in South Africa for the treatment of adult surgical patients who are acutely anemic and for the purpose of eliminating, reducing or delaying the need for allogenic red blood cells in adult surgical patients. The company is preparing to file a marketing application for Hemopure in the United States, followed by an application in Europe, for perioperative use of the product in patients undergoing elective surgery. The product is also being developed for use in trauma, cancer and ischemic events such as heart attack and stroke. Oxyglobin(R) [hemoglobin glutamer - 200 (bovine), or HBOC-301], the only product of its kind approved by the U.S. FDA and the European Commission, is commercially available in the United States, Germany, France and the United Kingdom for the treatment of anemia in dogs.

Statements in this press release that are not strictly historical may be forward-looking statements. There can be no assurance that Biopure Corporation will be able to commercially develop its oxygen therapeutic products, that necessary regulatory approvals will be obtained, that anticipated milestones will be met in the expected timetable, that any clinical trials will be successful, or that any approved product will find market acceptance and be sold in the quantities anticipated. Actual results may differ from those projected in forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties that exist in the company's operations and business environment. These risks include, without limitation, the company's stage of product development, history of operating losses and accumulated deficits, and uncertainties and possible delays related to clinical trials, regulatory approvals, possible healthcare reform, manufacturing capacity, marketing, market acceptance, competition and the availability of sufficient financing to support operations. The company undertakes no obligation to release publicly the results of any revisions to these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances arising after the date hereof. A full discussion of Biopure's operations and financial condition, and specific factors that could cause the company's actual performance to differ from current expectations, can be found on the company's website at www.biopure.com/corporate/legal/home_legal.htm and in the company's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be accessed in the EDGAR database at the SEC website, www.sec.gov, or through the Investor section of Biopure's website, www.biopure.com.

SOURCE Biopure Corporation

CONTACT: Douglas Sayles, Director, Corporate Communications of Biopure Corporation, +1-617-234-6826, or [email protected]; or Media - Brad Miles of BMC Communications, +1-212-477-9007, ext. 17, or Investors - Lee Stern of The Trout Group, +1-212-477-9007, ext. 16, both for Biopure Corporation/

(This information was posted by Lee ELDER on June 28th 2002 )

Greetings , J.C.MacHislopp

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"JW's..Courageous in the Face of Nazi Peri...

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thanks to our german friend, we have received this article :

july 8, 1998. appeared in awake!

july 8, 1998. appeared in awake !

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

thanks to our German friend, we have received this article :

Jehovahs Witnesses Courageous in the Face of Nazi Peril

It was edited by the Bethel correspondent in Selters (Germany).

The text its here below.

By Awake! Correspondent in Germany

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are well-known for their firm adherence to God's Word, the Bible. This often calls for courage, and it certainly affects their lives and their relationships with others.

For example, the Witnesses have deep regard for people of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds. They love God and their neighbor. (Matthew 22:35-40) Indeed, they are in full agreement with the apostle Peter, who declared: "For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him."Acts 10:34, 35.

Jehovah's Witnesses are also known worldwide for their respect for law, order, and governmental authority. They have never been a seedbed of insurrection and never will be. This is true even when they are persecuted in some lands because of their taking the apostolic position: "We must obey God as ruler rather than men." (Acts 5:29; Matthew 24:9) At the same time, the Witnesses recognize the right of others to worship in harmony with the dictates of their conscience.

The courageous Christian stand of Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany and other lands dominated by Adolf Hitler is a matter of record. A notable event in Berlin, Germany, in 1933 illustrates their courage, their love for God and neighbor, and their respect for law, order, and religious freedom.

No Compromise With Hitler

It was more than 50 years ago that Hitler's monstrous 12-year reign of racism and murder came to an end. Yet, that Nazi regime inflicted wounds that grieve humanity to this day.

History recognizes that only a few groups courageously stood up and spoke out against Nazi terror. Among them were Jehovah's Witnesses, described as "a tiny island of unflagging [moral] resistance existing in the bosom of a terrorized nation." Their courageous stand is well documented by respected historians.

A few critics, however, including some former associates of Jehovah's Witnesses, charge that the Witnesses attempted to compromise with the Hitler regime in its early days. They claim that representatives of the Watch Tower Society tried unsuccessfully to curry favor with the new government and that, at least for a time, they endorsed the racist ideology of the Nazis, which eventually led to the murder of six million Jews.

These serious allegations are absolutely false. The following is a frank examination of the events in question, based on available documentation and historical context.

Looking Back

Jehovah's Witnesses have been active in Germany for more than 100 years. By 1933, there were about 25,000 Witnesses worshiping Jehovah God and distributing Bible literature throughout Germany.

Despite the freedoms granted by the German constitution of that time, Jehovah's Witnesses were frequently the target of defamation campaigns, launched primarily by religious opponents. As early as 1921, the Witnesses, then called Ernste Bibelforscher (Earnest Bible Students), were accused of being linked with the Jews in subversive political movements. The Bible Students were branded as the dangerous Bolshevik "Jewish worm," though no proof of the charges was ever produced. Swiss theologian Karl Barth later wrote: "The accusation that Jehovah's Witnesses are linked with the Communists can only be due to an involuntary or even intentional misunderstanding."

A church magazine in Germany charged that the Witnesses and the Jews were coconspirators in revolutionary movements. In response, the April 15, 1930, German edition of The Golden Age (forerunner of Awake!) stated: "We have no reason to regard this false accusation as an insultas we are convinced that the Jew is at least as valuable a person as a nominal Christian; but we reject the above untruth of the church tabloid because it is aimed at deprecating our work, as if it were being done not for the sake of the Gospel but for the Jews."

Thus, professor of history John Weiss wrote: "The Witnesses were free of German racial nationalism and had not brooded for centuries over the failure of the Jews to convert. The Witnesses still held to the original, if patronizing, Christian belief of the need to persuade all potential converts to Christ."

What Happened When Hitler Came to Power?

On January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Germany's new chancellor. In the beginning, the Hitler government worked to conceal its violent and extremist nature. Hence, the Witnesses, along with millions of other Germans in early 1933, viewed the National Socialist Party as the legitimate ruling authority of the time. The Witnesses hoped that the National Socialist (Nazi) government would realize that this peaceable, law-abiding Christian group posed no subversive threat to the State. This was no offer to compromise Bible principles. As has been the case in other lands, the Witnesses wanted to inform the government of the true nonpolitical nature of their religion.

It quickly became apparent that Jehovah's Witnesses were to be among the first targets of brutal Nazi suppression. The Witnesses were again branded as accomplices in an alleged Bolshevik-Jewish conspiracy. A campaign of persecution began.

Why would such a small religious community attract the fury of the new regime? Historian Brian Dunn identifies three fundamental reasons: (1) the international scope of the Witnesses, (2) their opposition to racism, and (3) their position of neutrality toward the State. Because of their Scriptural views, the German Witnesses refused to give the Hitler salute, to support the National Socialist Party, or later on to participate in military activities.Exodus 20:4, 5; Isaiah 2:4; John 17:16.

As a result, the Witnesses endured threats, interrogations, house searches, and other harassment by the police and SA (Hitler's Sturmabteilung, storm troopers, or Brownshirts). On April 24, 1933, officials seized and shut down the Watch Tower office in Magdeburg, Germany. After a thorough search yielded no incriminating evidence, and under pressure from the U.S. State Department, the police returned the property. By May 1933, though, the Witnesses were banned in several German states.

Witnesses Take Courageous Action

During this early period, Hitler carefully cultivated his public image as a champion of Christianity. He proclaimed his commitment to religious freedom, promising to treat Christian denominations "with objective justice." In order to enhance his image, the new chancellor made appearances in churches. This was a time when many people in countries that later would be at war with Germany were expressing admiration for Hitler's achievements.

Concerned about the rising tensions in Germany, Joseph F. Rutherford, then president of the Watch Tower Society, together with the Germany branch office manager, Paul Balzereit, decided to mount a campaign to inform Chancellor Hitler, government officials, and the public that Jehovah's Witnesses posed no threat to the German people and the State. Rutherford evidently believed that Hitler was unaware of the attacks against Jehovah's Witnesses or that he had been misinformed by religious elements regarding the Witnesses.

Therefore, the Magdeburg office arranged a convention to make use of the German citizens' right of petition. On short notice, Jehovah's Witnesses from all over Germany were invited to the Wilmersdorfer Tennishallen in Berlin on June 25, 1933. About 5,000 delegates were expected. Despite the hostile atmosphere, more than 7,000 courageously attended. The delegates adopted a resolution entitled "Declaration of Facts." This document protested the restrictions that had been put on the work of the Witnesses. It made a clear statement of their position and denied charges of seditious links with political causes of any sort. It stated:

"We are wrongfully charged before the ruling powers of this government . . . We do respectfully ask the rulers of the nation and the people to give a fair and impartial consideration to the statement of facts here made."

"We have no fight with any persons or religious teachers, but we must call attention to the fact that it is generally those who claim to represent God and Christ Jesus who are in fact our persecutors and who misrepresent us before the governments."

Convention of Courage or Compromise?

Some now hold that the 1933 Berlin convention and the "Declaration of Facts" were attempts on the part of prominent Witnesses to show support for the Nazi government and its hatred of the Jews. But their assertions are not true. They are based on misinformation and on misinterpretation of the facts.

For instance, critics claim that the Witnesses decorated the Wilmersdorfer Tennishallen with swastika flags. Photographs of the 1933 convention clearly show that they displayed no swastikas in the hall. Eyewitnesses confirm that there were no flags inside.

It is possible, however, that there were flags on the building's exterior. A Nazi combat troop had used the hall on June 21, the Wednesday prior to the convention. Then just the day before the convention, crowds of young people along with units of the SS (Schutzstaffel, originally Hitler's Blackshirt bodyguards), SA, and others celebrated the summer solstice nearby. So Witnesses arriving at the Sunday convention might have been greeted with the sight of a building decked with swastika flags.

Had there been swastika flags decorating the hall's exterior, corridors, or even its interior, the Witnesses would have left them alone. Even today, when Jehovah's Witnesses rent public facilities for meetings and conventions, they do not remove national symbols. But there is no evidence that the Witnesses themselves hung any flags or that they saluted them.

Critics further state that the Witnesses opened the convention with the German national anthem. Actually, the convention began with "Zion's Glorious Hope," Song 64 in the Witnesses' religious songbook. The words of this song were set to music composed by Joseph Haydn in 1797. Song 64 had been in the Bible Students' songbook since at least 1905. In 1922 the German government adopted Haydn's melody with words by Hoffmann von Fallersleben as their national anthem. Nevertheless, the Bible Students in Germany still sang their Song 64 occasionally, as did Bible Students in other countries.

The singing of a song about Zion could hardly be construed as an effort to placate the Nazis. Under pressure from anti-Semitic Nazis, other churches removed Hebrew terms such as "Judah," "Jehovah," and "Zion" from their hymnals and liturgies. Jehovah's Witnesses did not. The convention organizers, then, certainly did not expect to win favor with the government by singing a song extolling Zion. Possibly, some delegates may have been reluctant to sing "Zion's Glorious Hope," since the melody of this composition by Haydn was the same as that of the national anthem.

Actual photos of the convention attended by Jehovah's Witnesses in 1933 at the Tennishallen

A Statement of Intent

With the government in transition and the country in turmoil, the Witnesses wanted to make a clear statement of their position. By means of the "Declaration," the Witnesses strongly denied accusations of financial involvement or political ties with Jews. Thus, the document stated:

"It is falsely charged by our enemies that we have received financial support for our work from the Jews. Nothing is farther from the truth. Up to this hour there never has been the slightest bit of money contributed to our work by Jews."

Having mentioned money, the "Declaration" went on to denounce unfair practices of big business. It said: "It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations."

This statement clearly did not refer to the Jewish people in general, and it is regrettable if it has been misunderstood and has given cause for any offense. Some have claimed that Jehovah's Witnesses shared the hostility toward the Jews that was commonly taught in the German churches at the time. This is absolutely untrue. By their literature and conduct during the Nazi era, the Witnesses rejected anti-Semitic views and condemned the Nazi mistreatment of the Jews. Certainly, their kindness toward Jews who shared their lot in the concentration camps provides a resounding rebuttal to this false accusation.

The "Declaration" defined the Witnesses' work as religious in character, stating: "Our organization is not political in any sense. We only insist on teaching the Word of Jehovah God to the people."

The "Declaration" also reminded the government of its own promises. The Witnesses upheld certain high ideals, and these happened to be publicly espoused also by the German government. Among these were family values and religious freedom.

In this regard, the "Declaration" added: "A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications, and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness."

Thus, the Witnesses never expressed support for the Nazi Party. Moreover, in the exercise of religious freedom, they did not intend to stop their public preaching.Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20.

According to the account in the 1974 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, some German Witnesses were disappointed that the language of the "Declaration" was not more explicit in tone. Had the branch office manager, Paul Balzereit, weakened the text of the document? No, for a comparison of the German and the English texts shows that this is not the case. Evidently, an impression to the contrary was based on the subjective observations of some who were not directly involved in the preparation of the "Declaration." Their conclusions may also have been influenced by the fact that Balzereit renounced his faith only two years later.

It is now known that a ban on Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany had been issued on Saturday, June 24, 1933, just the day before the Berlin convention. The convention organizers and the police learned of this ban a few days later. In view of the climate of tension and the evident hostility of Nazi officials, it is remarkable that the convention was held at all. It is no exaggeration to say that 7,000 Witnesses courageously put their liberty at risk by attending the gathering.

Following the convention, the Witnesses distributed 2.1 million copies of the "Declaration." Some Witnesses were arrested immediately and sent to labor camps. Thus, the Nazi government fully revealed its oppressive, violent nature and soon launched an all-out attack on this small group of Christians.

Wrote Professor Christine King: "Brute force could not suppress the Witnesses, the Nazis were to learn." It was as the "Declaration" stated: "The power of Jehovah God is supreme and there is no power that can successfully resist him." *

* Space does not allow us to supply full documentation for this historical account. However, a list of complete references is available upon request from the publishers. You may also find it enlightening to view the videocassette documentary entitled Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault.

Appeared in Awake! July 8, 1998

Appeared in AWAKE ! July 8 th 1998

**Now let's compare all the quotes from the DECLARATION with

the written proof taken from directly from the WBTS

" 1934's YEARBOOK" .

(Quotes kindly provided by BLONDIE).

*** Yearbook 1934 p.134 ***

The greatest and the most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact particularly applies to the cities of London and New York, the stronghold of Big Business. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says: The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills.

*** Yearbook 1934 p.135 ***

The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations. Such is exactly our position.

*** Yearbook 1934 Page 136 ***

Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart.

*** Yearbook 1934 p.137 ***

A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness...

*** Yearbook 1934 p.138 ***

"Let us remind the government and the people of Germany, that it was the League of Nations compact that laid upon the shoulders of the German people the great unjust and unbearable burdens. That the League of Nations compact was not brought forth by the friends of Germany."

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Who is rewriting its own history..again ?

It's all very clear.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

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" ...our colored brothers."

by MacHislopp in

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im sorry for the absence from this excellent

board but for the moment im very busy in my professional life.

nevertheless i would like to correct a statement

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Im sorry for the absence from this excellent

Board but for the moment Im very busy in my professional life.

Nevertheless I would like to correct a statement

concerning a missing reference in the 1999CD ( from the WTBS)

Here is the existing text taken from the1999 WTBS CD:

*** w52 2/1 95 Questions from Readers *

If the Watchtower Society is free from racial prejudice, why does it tolerate segregation at its assemblies in certain sections of country? Is this not a course of compromise?F. C., Wisconsin.

So let us please God by preaching the gospel despite the undesirable conditions the Devils world may make for us. Let us not be sidetracked by Satan and caught in a subtle snare camouflaged in lofty motives and ideals. Can we not wait upon Jehovah to avenge the wrongs we suffer now?

Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase.

What if the worldly wise and powerful and noble look down on them as foolish and weak and ignoble, not on an equality with self-exalted whites? It is to Gods ultimate honor, for he confounds the wise of this world by choosing those the world considers foolish and weak and ignoble. Let us boast in Jehovah and in our equality in his sight, rather than wanting to boast in equality in the worlds sight. (1 Cor. 1:26-31, NW) In due time the exalted ones will be humbled, and the humble ones will be exalted. (Matt. 23:12) All of us await this vindication from God, which will come in his due time. Until then, as Paul advised concerning slavery we advise concerning its lingering trace, segregation: Do not let it worry you. (1 Cor. 7:21, NW) When possible we will meet together, when not possible we will meet separately; but in either event we are always united in spirit, brothers equal in our own sight, in Christs sight, and in Gods sight."

( I have only quoted the last 19 lines of the article).

As everyone can see the phrase IS STILL THERE!!!

This shows how brilliant are some of the written comments in the WTBS publications.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp.

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WTBS Inc. SERVERS LOCATIONS...

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organisation address.

MacHislopp

Hello,

Im sorry for the mistakes, here is the correct one:

Association Cultuelle des Tmoins de Jhovah de France

Lady Lee: thanks for the correct remark.

Greetings, JCMacHislopp