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  Purse snatcher at convention!

  by biblexaminer in

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  in the crowded corridors at the district convention, there was a purse snatcher.

  i was in the right place at the right time to catch it all.. this guy grabbed this sister's purse and made off with it.

  she screamed and several brothers were in purseuit.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Biblexaminer,

  thanks for the effort... a good one!
  Btw where I come from they had at the beginning very heavy
  wooden boxes!! (Now ..are much lighter).

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Is there any JW's on here?

  by Devilman in

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  iam trying to work out how many of u are proper witnesses?

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Devilman,

  thanks for the "...question ".

  I do believe, that among the many replies, the one
  similar to my line of thought is the one given by

  Lookingnow22:

  "Technically, no one here is a "proper" witness. Because even viewing apostate material makes on spiritually weak. However, there are quite a few here that are still in good congregational standing, and a few of us that are still active even."

  And a good one too, Agape J.C.MacHislopp
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  Watchtower Study - June 17

  by hippikon in

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  jehovahs service.

  always rejoice in the lord once more i will say, rejoice!philippians 4:4.. james, a 70-year-old christian living in sierra leone, had worked hard all his life.

  imagine his joy when he had finally saved up enough money to purchase a modest four-room house!

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Hippikon,

  thanks again for your effort.

  To Gopher: I do like your comment.
  Btw, Hippikon I do like the originality of your ' picture '!

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Watchtower Study - June 24

  by hippikon in

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  praise jah, you people!.

  praise jah, you people!

  praise jah, for jehovah is good.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Hippikon,

  thanks for posting the material.
  I'm sure that some of our friends, who haven't
  seen the article will appreciate it.

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Moscow court cancels Jehovah's Witnesses legal win

  by nicolaou in

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  this news is a couple of weeks old but well worth digesting.. isn't it interesting that russia has a 'law on freedom of conscience' -- which the united states and the vatican have vehemently criticized?

  nic'.

  "moscow court cancels jehovah's witnesses' legal win".

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Nicolau,

  thanks for the news...!
  You can be certain that your effort is well appreciated.
  Here in this forum who do receive news faster than many
  would imagine.

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp
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  A nice bit of skirt on WOL

  by expatbrit in

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  i certainly hope all the independent thinking jezebels pay good attention to this one: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=18&t=000030.

  suggestion to simon: before allowing the women to login on the new site, they should submit a pictures showing that their skirts are of approved length, i.e.

  9 inches above the knee.. expatbrit

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Expatbrit,

  I do appreciate your nice research!

  Another one in the file, ready for use at the first occasion.

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Picking & Choosing Your "OUGHTS"

  by proplog2 in

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  there is more evidence that all christians should engage in some.

  foot washing ritual then there is that we shouldn't eat blood.

  there is no wiggle room in john 13:14 "therefore, if i, although.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Proplog2,

  thanks for you post, quite a knock, ...
  I'll use it at the first occasion!
  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp
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  I Find it all interesting!

  by glode in

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  before i startm let mejust apologizein advance ifmy spacekey doesnt work properly!

  !damn keyboard!

  anyways, i have been lookingthru theposts here for several weeks, i findmany of theopinions well thought out.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

  To Abaddon:

  "Because it imposes strict standards of behaviour on its adherants, based upon the premise that it is the truth, and punishes infringements harshly. "

  Good point, this shows how to say real things in a few words!

  To hawk:

  Congratulations for your post Among other questions I did find these extremely
  thought provoking:

  "- why "specialized" fractions are approved yet major components are banned. This seems odd seeing both are made by specialized machines and drugs. Where are they in the bible?
  - why white cells are permitted in a perpherial stem cell autographing procedure but not as a transfusion even though there really is no difference.
  - why albumin is allowed because it natually passes the placental barrier yet so do fetal red blood cells and white blood cells that are banned. Even though the June 1 1990 WT QFR denies this!!!"

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Real chronology of BETH-SARIM.!

  by MacHislopp in

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  many things have been written on this topic, and this does.

  not want to be a simple copy.

  with the intent of giving an accurate historical retracing of the beth- sarim subject and all the " teaching " that went .

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  Many things have been written on this topic, and this does
  not want to be a simple copy. With the intent of giving an accurate historical retracing of the Beth- Sarim subject and all the " teaching " that went
  with it, unlike the " Proclaimers" book , I'll take it from its start.

  1918

  In this year on February 24, the discourse
  "The World Has Ended -- Millions Now Living May Never Die"
  is first delivered in Los Angeles, CA. , by brother Rutherford.
  This is followed by another one , in March 31, in Boston ,MA.-

  From those moments, and expecially after the release of the
  book with the same title of the talk, i.e. « Millions Now Living
  Will never Die » great expectations are aroused. Many years later,
  a Society's publication, would confirm the wide use made of that book, not only in the United Stated but also in other parts of the world.

  Quote :

  « The book Millions…had been widely used in the French field since 1921 and on the basis of its contents, much was expected
  of 1925. But when 1925 came and went without the anticipated
  happening coming to pass, those on the outside who had read the
  book made fun of the brothers. Worse still, the faith of some of the brothers themselves was shaken. Some expected to go to heaven that year. (yb 80 p.62 )

  *Note that no use is made of the words - idea or view –
  and the quote concerns a « book » used in the field.
  As for the statement « …some expected to
  go to heaven that year… » I wonder who could be
  included in that undefinite number !

  An earlier watchtower 's article « Pursuing My Purpose in Life », stated the following :

  Quote
  « ..In May 1924, during one of Brother Rutherford visits to Glasgow,
  he announced at the assembly… the following morning ….Brother
  Rutherford said to me…would you like to go with him ?… When
  I confirmed my decision that afternoon, among other things he said :
  « George, it may be for a year, or it may be for a little longer. »
  He had still great faith that the princes would be back the following
  year, and that big changes would quickly take place. «
  (w. 56 12/1 p.716 ).-

  Note : we are in the year 1924, and it is very clear that
  brother Rutherford himself « had great faith … ». Again no
  use of the words – idea, view – Now let’s go ahead to the year :

  1926
  Quote :

  « Indicative of this testing was the question meeting held by
  Brother Rutherford during the Basel, Switzerland assembly, wich took place May 1-3, 1926.
  The report of this convention stated : « Question : Have the ancient
  worthies returned ?
  « Answer : Certainly they have not returned. No one has seen them
  and it would be foolish to make such an announcement. It was stated
  in the ‘Millions’ book that we might reasonably expect them to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion. »
  A mistake had been made but, as Brother Rutherford stated, this was no reason to stop serving the Lord ».
  (yb 80 p.62 )

  Note : Just a little more than 8 years, after the first talk « Millions… », brother Rutherford in public refers to the
  subject of "... the return of the ancient worthis " as " an
  expressed opinion " ! What about his « great faith » on that
  event that he had in 1924 ? Furthermore , announcing that kind
  of event - in his own words - would be « foolish »!
  A small detail: I don’t understand why, but in the publications, when
  - brother Rutherford - is mentioned , the letter " b " is printed " B "! Let’s continue and we arrive , few years later in:

  1929 Quote :
  
  « House of the Princes «
  Brother Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia….In the 1920’s
  under a doctor’s treatment , he went to San Diego, California…
  From 1929 on, brother Rutherford spent the winters working at a San Diego residence he had named Beth-Sarim.
  Beth-Sarim was built with funds that were a direct contribution for that purpose. The deed which was published in full in « The Golden Age » of March 19, 1930, conveyed this property to J.F.Rutherford
  and thereafter to the Watch Tower Society.
  Concernin Beth-Sarim, the book « Salvation « (*) published
  in 1939 explains : « The Hebrew word ‘Beth Sarim’ mean ‘House of the Princes ‘ ; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building
  the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there
  are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in
  His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon
  be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the
  visible affairs of earth. »
  (jv page 76 – published in 1993 – « Proclaimers… »)

  (*) Footnote « Salvation « by J.F.Rutherford ,published in 1939, the quote is in page 311.

  Note : What a strange event…three years after the public
  declaration in Basel , brother J.F.Rutherford – the Watch
  Tower Society - buys this property, naturally first the
  plot of land and later builds the house, that he, had called
  Beth-Sarim !
  Frankly at this point one has already lost his bearings!
  How can you claim that even:
  « announcing an event » would be …" foolish ";
  « to expect the ancient worthies » was an « expressed opinion »
  and yet only few year later, the Watch Tower Society’s
  President – the same person – goes ahead with that project –!
  « ..a House of the Princes.. » !

  There is another aggravating factor to this story, and it is the
  fact the all the world, at that time, including the United States of America, was in the midst of an economic recession and poverty !

  Btw, one had to wait for ..another nine years, until 1939, to get more information from the Society, on this topic.
  Let’s continue and we arrive in :

  1947
  Quote :

  « A few years after Brother Rutherford’s death,(*) the board
  of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim .
  Why ? « The Watchtower » of December 15, 1947, explained : » It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep ; our faith in the return of the men of old time
  whom the King Christ will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely
  in Califonia) is based , not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God’s Word of promise. »

  (jv page 76 – published in 1993 – « Proclaimers… »)

  (*) - January 8. 1942, in San Diego, CA.-

  Footnote on : " jv page 76 " – published in 1993 –
  Quote :

  « At the time, it was believed that faithful men of old times, such as
  Abraham, Joseph, and David, would be resurrected before the end of this system of things and would serve as « princes in all the earth ,»
  in fulfillment of Psalm 45 :16.
  This view was adjusted in 1950, when further study of the Scriptures
  indicated that those early forefathers of Jesus Christ would be resur-
  rected after Armaghedon.-
  See « The Watchtower , » November 1, 1950, pages 414-17.
  (end of the footnote).

  Note : Now, the house Beth-Sarim is sold, five years after the death of the President of the Watch Tower Society, and not before, during his life!
  Could it be , that brother Rutherford would have been opposed to
  it ? After all it was brother Rutherford that set the all things in motion with the - famous - public talk " Millions....".
  Note also it « was expensive to keep.. » yes, expensive for whom? And whith the money coming from where ?
  Important also the statement, 8 years after the publication of the book « Salvation » , that «…the King Christ Jesus will make princes in ALL the earth…not merely in California.. »... what a great revelation!!!
  One should not miss the final touch about :
  « ..our faith ….based not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but
  upon God’s Word of promise ».

  As the icing on the cake, how about ..." ... it was believed that faithful… resurrected before the end… » and very revealing :
  « ..the view … in 1950….early forefathers…resurrected after…
  Armaghedon » !

  Think about it, all this men made TEACHING with all the consequences did go on FROM 1918 UNTIL 1950 !
  But if you think that’s all finished in this Beth-Sarim saga.. you are
  wrong because we will take a leap into :

  1999
  Quote :

  §25 " Even after the convention in 1922.. some of God’s
  holy ones were still looking longingly to the past. The basis study material for their meeting was still the Bible and the volumes of
  Studies in the Scriptures, by C.T. Russell. At that time, there was a
  widely held view that pointed to 1925 as the year for the resurrection to begin and for Paradise to be restored to the earth. Thus , many
  were serving with a fixed date in mind."

  dp 303 17 Identifying True Worshippers in the Time of the End
  (Daniel….prophecies) publ. 1999

  Note : Now this material on page 303 was scheduled for book study on 2001, more that 50 years after the watchtower article, that I
  just quoted, that adjusted the « view » and yet, even now in this
  new publication , to be " discussed " worldwide in all the congrega-
  tions' book studies, there are some …inaccuracies - to use a very
  delicate and sensitive word -!

  · The reader is told about study material …from brother Russell,a
  very misleading statement made to link " study " with C.T.Russell.
  Forgetting that since 1918 , in addition to the public talk on the
  same theme, it was published and widely distributed the book « Millions Now Living Will Never Die « and on the basis of the content of THIS book, «… much was expected of 1925 »;

  That C.T. Russell had , in this case, nothing to do with the date of
  1925…- We all know by now, who came out with it..yes,....you've
  guessed right again... brother J.F. Rutherford ! ! !

  Notice also , to confirm what I say, that as a result of that extensive TEACHING and not VIEW, that « …. Many were
  serving with a fixed date in mind.. » !

  Guess who was CERTAINLY included in those « many.. » ?
  Yes you’re right again, brother J.F. Rutherford.!

  So in conclusion, even today the new baptized ones, have very, very, little knowledge of the Society past.

  I 'm sure and many of you will agree with me , that to retrace
  TRUTHFULLY the Society's history of the ..the 50’s, 40’s, 30’s ,
  20's and so until one arrives to the first steps of C.T. Russell as
  a Bible Student, is a very hardous task.

  Truly, it is very difficult for many to retrace the past history of the
  WTS, for the simple reason, that MOST of the publications
  pre-1950 are not in possession of most publishers, and as
  many of you already commented in this forum, ...ANY KIND
  of REQUEST about them, has the effect to arouse DOUBTS,
  NEGATIVE COMMENTS and even, - INCREDIBLE BUT TRUE
  accusations of APOSTASY !!!

  As a result, for many new ones and others, the alternative is…
  to receive as GENUINE HISTORY of the WTS, HISTORY
  that has been REWRITTEN AND WELL REVISED!

  I hope that my intention to give you, just ONE exemple, of
  this " h i s t o r y " has not been too heavy,

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp

  N.B. How many more " teachings", "truths" have been
  - c r e a t e d , and m o d i f i e d in the succesive years,
  only to be completely abandoned ....,or should one say
  e l i m i n a t e d after 10,20,30,40,50 years ?
  One has to keep in mind that at the beginning - A L L -

  these " informations" , " teachings " and " truths" were
  published worldwide privately and publicly, as
  " S c r i p t u r a l l y based beliefs "!
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  WT & Awake Subscription Procedure

  by Gopher in

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  i moved into a new area several months ago, and my subscriptions to the watchtower and awake magazines expired.

  (note: i'm baaad, not attending meetings in my new area.).

  so it'd be easy to renew my subscription, right?

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  congratulations agains for this nice post.I can only confirm Kent , Gianlucaand was a sister comments about the procedure, in
  this part of Europe...money it is always involved...sorry I should
  have writte:" ...a free contribution ..."
  Btw individual publisher can ask - and they do receive - copies
  od magazines in any language they wish...naturally always through the
  congregation.

  Agape, J.C.MacHislopp