Posts by MacHislopp

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JWs & the Concept of Conscientious Objection

by Scully in

jehovah's witnesses and the concept of conscientious objection

- by scully .

the concept of conscientious objection is one that has existed for centuries and has been recognized under the principles of free exercise of religious beliefs in both american and canadian law.

MacHislopp

Hello Scully,

just to say: b r i l l i a n t piece!

I'll come again with more comments.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Jehovah's Blessings ???

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

"the watchtower " 15th february, 2001 page 27, paragraph 17 :

"the watchtower " 15th , may 2001 page 13 18

the watchtower june 1st , 2001 page 19, 8,

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Few times there has been a request to prove that

what the WTBS Inc. has been printing on a regular

base i.e.

"Jehovah God is blessing His people with increase"

What better way than , to verify this claim, from the WTBS Inc. , own publications?

Let's begin with a quote from a magazine:

The Watchtower 15 th January, 2001 page 17 3:

Of course , the number of those associated with Jehovahs Witnesses is not a criterion for determining if they enjoy

divine favor, nor do statistics impress God.

So according to this statement numbers, statistics are not

really the factor to link to divine favor.

But, wait a second , in the same magazine, page 12 the

WTBS Inc. wrote with a different style:

"Millions of Kingdom proclaimers - a mighty nation -are now associating with more than 91,000 congregations in 235 lands around the earth. Unquestionably, this confirms that Jehovah is speeding up the ingathering of true
worshippers before the outbreak of the" great tribulation," now so near at hand.- Matthew 24:21; Revelation 7:9-14. "

Notice also that Jehovah God is involved, actually is

Him that provokes the " speeding up the ingathering of true worshippers.."

Hold on, and let's go ahead in timejust one month:

"The Watchtower " 15 th February, 2001 page 27, paragraph 17 :

" In his book These Also Believe, Professor Charles S.Braden said:' Jehovah's Witnesses have literally covered the earth with their witnessing. It may truly be said that no single religious group in the world displayed more zeal and persistence in the attempt to spread the good news of the Kingdom than Jehovah's Witnesses.
This movement will very likely go on from strength tostrength.'
How right he was! When he wrote those words 50 yearsago, only some 300,000 Witnesses were preaching around the world. What would he say today, when about 20 times that number-some six million-are preaching the good news?"

Again the tone has changed. You might have noticed a certain pride even boasting about number!

Let's continue and we arrive at the month of May

"The Watchtower " 15 th , May 2001 page 13 18

Question : What evidence is there that Jehovah is blessing the preaching work?

(answer)

"Consult the current Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses,

and note the lands now reporting from 100,000 to nearly 1,000,000 Kingdom publishers. This is powerful proof

that the Kingdom-preaching work is being blessed by Jehovah."

Now it's very clearthe increase is a "powerful proof "

Jehovah's blessing.

Since the WTBS thinks that the R&F needs a quick reminder on this subject, they publish - 15 days

later the following:

The Watchtower June 1 st , 2001 page 19, 8,

question (first part):

What has been the result of Jehovahs blessing on his people..?

***Answer , for paragraph 8 :

Jehovahs Witnesses have been blessed with increase because they have continued seeking first the Kingdom and (Gods) righteousness. (Matthew 6:33) .And the end is not yet. Just during the past decade , the number of active proponents of Kingdom rule increased by over 1,750,000 persons.

Again the increase is considered a "blessing" , naturally from Jehovah .

Yet in all this self-praising attitude the WTBS Inc., has,

to use a familiar expression, shot itself on the foot!

Infact, what the WTBS Inc.s writers failed to add, in

The Watchtower June 1 st , 2001 page 19, 8,

is that during that same period decade i.e. from the year 1990 to the year 2000, they did register, officially a total of 3,523,718 new baptisms, or to use their expression , a total of 3,523,718 active proponents of Kingdom rule symbolized their dedication by water baptism.

In conclusion in that decade so much highlighted, the actual increase of active proponents of Kingdom rule was only 50% of the total whosymbolized their dedication, to Jehovah God , by water baptism.

This fact suggests logical questions :

1) Is it really Jehovahs blessing, behind all the

" increase "???

2) If it is really " the result of Jehovahs blessing on

his people .." what happened to the othe 50%

of the total of active proponents of Kingdom rule

who symbolized their dedication by water baptism??

I do hope that the defenders of the 'mighty' WTBS Inc.

ideas or opinions or everchanging doctrines, will be able

to come up with a "Bible - based " answer.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

"Historia est testis temporum, lux veritatis, vita memoriae, magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis".

(Cicerone , De Oratore, II)

(P.S. Thanks to Somebody for

some of the quotes ).

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Elders authority over non JW's?

by figureheaduk in

just been looking at e-watchman's mailbag (a bit one sided to say the least.........), and there was a question from a girl who is studying with someone else who she's fallen in love with.

it seems that she's been told that they can't date until they've both been baptized - so she asked the e-watchman his advice.

the first sentence of his reply was "the elders in the congregation don't really have authority over those who are not part of the congregation".

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

I do believe that Elsewhere:

"Its all about control.

This is also why they make their members shun former members.

They know that these people have knowledge that can reveal how

crooked and evil the elders and GB are, but at the same time,

they know they cannot gag someone who is not a member... so

they use their control over the members to make them shun the person

they don't want to have a voice."

A truthful and quite concise way to explain how things are running

in the world of the mighty WTBS Inc. (Corporations).

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Michael Jackson Sleeps With Kids(not his)

by TR in

michael jackson has "slept in a bed with many children.

" what a friggin' weirdo.. http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20030204/d7ovt4eo0.html.

tr

MacHislopp

Hello TR,

thanks for the news.

This:

"The Sun said the "shocking confession" would end

Jackson's career, while the Daily Express said

Jackson "faces a wave of revulsion."

says it all.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

20

WT admits error.

by refiners fire in

i just had a look through ray franz two books and i didnt see this information in there.

though i cant escape the vague feeling it might be in isocf.

if ray has already used this example, apologies.... .

MacHislopp

Hello R.R.,

many thanks for kindly posting , again,

for all those unaware of its existence

such proofs, unmasking without doubt

who was behind it!

This part was the core of the problem:

"The Book The Finished Mystery was published by the

Watchtower Society, it was sanctioned by then president J.F. Rutherford,

and was the cause of much schism within the Bible Students Association,

not because it was promoting Russell, but because it was filled with

misquotes, half truths and perversion of thoughts. "

Excellent!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Looking to the FDS for Salvation

by jgnat in

isaiah's prophecy - light for all mankind ii.

chapter 11, page 164, p. 22.

to look to men for salvation is the height of folly.

MacHislopp

Hello jgnat,

a good post indeed.

I've liked TR comment:

"I really don't think that the WTS wants a high profile of their work.

They are satisfied with secretly prying loose adherents to suck

dry, low profile style."

It's true, already the Internet, the so called "apostate", "dissident"

etc. have unveiled quite a lot about the past - nonsense prophecies

and all the other everchanging present -doctrines/ideas/views

that they, the mighty WTBS Inc. (corporations) don't want to risk

more of their vast multibillions dollars Empire.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Reason #2 Why the 'Truth' isn't True

by metatron in

once upon a time, a cartoon appeared showing a young man holding a sign that said.

"the end is near!

" while talking to a person on the street.. the caption read "it's a good business, i inherited it from my grandfather!".

MacHislopp

Hello Metatron,

thanks for the comments!

I do like the end:

"Because it hasn't been

TRUE for ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS!"

Just concise, true, logical ...brilliant!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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What REALLY Happens During A Judicial Meeting

by minimus in

jw
friends

you're in front of 3 elders and are being asked all types of questions.

you are afraid that you might get disfellowshipped.

the elders tell you that you must speak the truth, since jehovah hears all and since jehovah hates a liar.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Thanks for the topic. Please allow me few words.

Your interesting , logical, factual accounts about

the "JC" gives, together with the direct testimonies

of some " v i c t i m e s " the true picture of the

essence of all "JC" i.e.

- basically no desire, no application, not even the

slightest apoproach or imitation of Jesus Christ

attitude toward " s i n n e r s ". He had LOVE,LOVE

and LOVE, all the "JC"s have - from the WTBS Inc.

rules...rules and finally rules.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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WTS Says Faith Should Not be in an Organization?

by blondie in

the hypocrisy of the wts knows no bounds

most jws would say, "but we have faith in jehovah, jesus and the bible, not in men.

" yet in many places the wts does demand jws to have faith.

MacHislopp

Hello Blondie,

a very nice and well supported topic.Plenty of material.

Just a quick comment on this part:

" 1972 Yearbook ", page 170

"Sad as this may seem, it brought faith in the organization

and opened the way for the free flow of Jehovahs spirit"

**What about the tens of thousands "kicked out" from

'God's Organisation ' since 1972? Have they really

"brought faith in the organization and opened the way

for the free flow of Jehovahs spirit"???

If the WTBS Inc. answers YES, then we would like to

know where are the 2.8 millions () baptized since

1972, that have not INCREASED the r&f of the

Jehovah's Witnesses???

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

() I'll give the correct, total number of

baptized JWs since 1972 until 2002.

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Where's the scriptural support for 1935??

by back2dafront in

*** w88 1/1 11 the last days-a time of harvest *** .

john, in another vision, sees the sealing of the final ones of the 144,000.

(revelation 7:1-8) evidently, the gathering of these was virtually complete by 1935. .

MacHislopp

Hello back2dafront,

thanks for your topic. Btw, you could also read the quotes in

my post " The never ending saga of the anointed..."

To give you another exemple of ...illogical statement

take this one:

"The Watchtower " June 1st, 1959 page 352, QfR

at the end of the 3rd paragraph - before the end of the

article - we can read:

"The particular assembling of the remnant class continued

on until 1931, in fulfillment of Matthew 24:31. By then a full

remnant were gathered to Har-Magedon"

Please notice that

*** It was written almost 43 years ago;

***That a "full remnant were gathered" already in 1931.

***In 1959, they had a different view/opinion/truth

So, you can see, the WTBS Inc., wrote, and continues to

write anything, any nonsense, any men's idea/opinion/view

and gives it to the R&F as if it was "coming from god"()

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

() See my last topic about "Understanding..."