Posts by Mackin

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"The True Power of Water".... what a book...

by AK - Jeff in

i just finished this fellow's book - "the true power of water".

in it the basic precept of 'hado' is explained and he proves with experimental evidence his theorum of life vibrations to the quality of life.... the below is an introduction on his website; www.hado.com .

i have found this to be facsinating in spite of my 'western' thinking and predudices.

Mackin

AK - Jeff, you might be interested in this text from "Swift - May 23, 2003, but I suspect you won't given the way you've villified the common sense postings of Funkyderek. You can find it at: http://www.randi.org/jr/052303.html
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A UK homeopath named Liz Miller fancies that she has discovered why the BBC tests of that quackery were negative. She writes:
I think you will be amazed at the pictures on www.mercola.com/2002/may/8/prayer.htm. They show that as in homeopathy, water can take on energy from our thoughts. This proves that in the BBC program on homeopathy, Mr. Randi's thoughts could have influenced the outcome.
I answered her: "Unfortunately for this theory, (a) I was not present when the BBC tests were done, and (b) I was not even aware that they were being done…." Then I looked at that site she'd touted. Amazing.
Try this on for credibility: A Dr. Masaru Emoto, who boasts certification from the Open International University of Alternative Medicine (???), has made remarkable discoveries about "the concept of micro cluster water." Floating along in his muddy stream of awareness, Dr. Emoto began to study the effect of altering water by various factors of "vibration" and "consciousness." These words are immensely popular with quacks, though they've no notion what they mean. Are you ready? He studied water that had been altered by music — healing music, classical music, heavy metal music, and so forth.
And he has "crystalline pictures" that reveal how water responds to these influences! As he says, this begins to reveal that water is alive, that it is conscious, and that it responds to applied force by a rearrangement of its inner crystalline properties. Wow! Ah, but that only got him started. It gets better….
Inspired by these revelations, he decided to study the impact of human consciousness on water and its crystalline order. Dr. Emoto believes he has demonstrated that human thoughts and emotions can alter the molecular structure of water. Now, for the first time, he says, there is physical evidence that the power of our thoughts can change the world within and around us.
We can see the distinct difference, for example, between crystals formed under the influence of the word, "prayer," and nasty hard rock music. How can we doubt?
Dr. Emoto found that water that had been consciously altered by the simple imprinting of a "word of intent," would change. Water that was imprinted by "love," "gratitude," and "appreciation," responded by the development of complex crystals — essentially "snowflake" crystals obtained by evaporation and cooling — and an excellent effect was produced by combining the words "love" and "gratitude," as any fool can plainly see in the illustration. But water that was mistreated by negative intentions became disordered and lost its magnificent patterning. In fact, it often took on grotesque forms of resonance, he says.
Then he really got into the swing of pseudoscience, simplifying matters by just writing words — in any language, of course — on pieces of paper and taping them to a clear glass container to see if anything happened. Positive words like "love" and "thank you" produced beautiful and delicate crystalline patterns, we're told. He tried "You Make Me Sick. I Will Kill You" and he observed distorted, frightening, muddied patterns. We show here the pattern produced by this last phrase. He even experimented with names like "Gandhi," "Mother Teresa," and "Hitler," and the same kind of results occurred. Wow, again!
And, not to our surprise, Dr. Emoto discovered that the water crystals dutifully form up in response to different ethnic versions of the languages impressed upon them. Here's the expression "thank you" in both Japanese and English. You can see the distinct variations, can't you?
Well, if that didn't convince you that Dr. Emoto might not have both oars in the water, try this, a quotation from him in answer to his thoughts on what the crystals are: "I came to the realization that these crystals are spirits." Okay. Where's the door….?
Let's spend a moment to wonder about how such a view can be brought about. Dr. Emoto might very well believe that he's doing science. But he's not. He does no double-blind procedures, for one thing, which dooms these amateur efforts, right from the beginning. If he were to be blind to which words were being used to influence the water crystals, his search through the results looking for confirmation, would be inconclusive. I'll risk the JREF million-dollar prize on that statement. If Dr. Emoto wants to win the prize, let him agree to perform his tests in a double-blind fashion, and I predict he'll get fuzzy results that prove nothing.
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Mackin

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Anyone here from New Zealand?

by bledback2life in

hey everybody!!

*feins a nick riviera (a la the simpsons) accent* .

i'm new to these forums.

Mackin

Hi there Bledback2life,
I'm a kiwi and I live in Auckland like you. and it seems we left the "troof" about the same time.
I don't spend too much time on here these days, but I must say this forum was a vital part in my learning how to live again after leaving the borg. I stopped visiting the site so much after some of the right-wing Americans on here became rather tiresome with their "ra, ra, ra, America is the greatest, we know what's best for everyone in the world" posts. Huge political fights ensued and that's not what I was here for. However it seems most of those posters have gone now.
If you want to get in touch send me a PM and I'll give you my e-mail address

Mackin.

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"J"'s in the cleaning business too!

by PopeOfEruke in

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this company is either run by jdubs or at least it's infested with them.

it's australian, based in brisbane i think.

i wonder what the big "j" thinks about putting his initial to a freakin' cleaning company??

Mackin

This company has been operating in New Zealand for quite a few years. Loads of dubs work for them but I understand that now they have quite a few non-dubs working for them as well.
In some places a large percentage of the congregation works for JAE.

Mackin.

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Apostate lies?

by gringojj in

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the jws warn you not to talk to ex-jws.

they claim that they spread lies about them.

in all of my research on the jws, i have found very few instances where ex-jws have told lies about jws.

Mackin

This was one of the biggest surprises I had when I left the JW's.

I was stunned to find that the "apostates" were not all vindictive, hateful liars as I had been taught. In fact when I started to read "apostate material" I realised that it told more of the truth than the WT Soc. did. Many of the things I read in Ray Franz's book I knew to be true because I had heard the same stories in Bethel.

The "apostates turned out to be regular people, and genuinely more friendly and honest that the average JW.

I can't recall any "apostate stories" about the WT Soc. that have turned out to be lies. I can recall HUNDREDS of JW stories about apostates that really are lies.

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Local JW propaganda article on Katrina aid - and my response

by EscapedLifer1 in

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howdy all, .

the following article just appeared in the local boaz, alabama newspaper:.

the sand mountain reporter.

Mackin

Great post Brandon.

Mackin

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GHOSTS ON TRIAL

by Mackin in

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just saw this on the jref website: www.randi.org .

apologies if its been posted before.

ghosts on trial .

Mackin

Just saw this on the JREF website: www.randi.org
Apologies if its been posted before.
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GHOSTS ON TRIAL
Several readers sent me an account of the owners of a Japanese restaurant in California, Christopher and Yoko Chung, who had planned to move into their renovated building in October 2004, but then backed out of the lease because, they claim, the building is haunted. They’re being sued by their landlord.
The Chungs' attorney says subcontractors provided several documented reports of having seen ghosts or apparitions in the restaurant at night. The attorney also says Mr. Chung's religious beliefs – he’s a Jehovah’s Witness – require him to "avoid encountering or having any association with spirits or demons."
The 2.6 million dollar lawsuit filed by the landlord last month in Orange County Circuit Court asks a judge to decide whether the building is haunted and, if so, whether the ghosts would interfere with the restaurant's business. You see the difference in attitude here? If that were my joint, I’d publicize the spooks. I’d feature Egg Fool Yu, Bad Fortune Cookies, and Spirit Peking Ah Choo. I’d have séances twice an evening, and free acupuncture via resident porcupines. There’s a fortune to be made here!
What interests me here is that it could end up being the judge who determines whether there are ghosts in the building. What’s his expertise? Will he subpoena some otherworldly citizens? What "expert" could be brought in to investigate this? Who ya gonna call? The JREF? Obviously, all the local psychics will be vying for attention here, though hopefully the judge will have sense enough not to fall into such a trap.
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Mackin

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Former JW now Atheist...

by zeroday in

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any others out there?

Mackin

[Then when you leave you realize you never really knew God or christ at all.]

That's because there is no god or christ to get to know. They are fingments of the imagination.

[and start learning from scratch what the bible really says.]

The bile is a fictional book of myth and superstition. You'd be foolish to ascribe any relavance to it.

[Remember we "had" to spend hours and hours a week dedicated to the "education" of God. No wonder ppl are put off by the prospect of finding out if there is one]

Not at all. Even a small amount of research and critical thinking proves beyond doubt that god and all things "supernatural" is a myth.

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Former JW now Atheist...

by zeroday in

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any others out there?

Mackin

[I usually find that some JW's who leave say they are atheist, but what they mean is that they no longer follow any particular religion or faith.
In fact when I've spoken to others and they say they are atheist its always comes out as "I am an atheist, but......"]

Well I'm not one of those.

As far as I'm concerned, there is NO god. Other may choose to believe in god or something similar, but my world view is totally free from any belief in the supernatural or mystic. I don't believe in God or Satan or demons or angels or spirituality or life after death. I'm an atheist and a skeptic.

If you want to believe in god or the supernatural, that's your choice, but from my point of view it's self-delusion.

Mackin

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Did you ever feel the JW "holy spirit"

by Smiles in

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were there ever times when you were sure you could feel or see "jehovah's holy spirit" operating?.

Mackin

[Once I left, and continued to teach classes, I didn't pray about it and did the same job I was doing before. Finally realizing it was me doing the (hopefully) good job, not some imaginary helper.]

I couldn't agree more Thom.

Mackin