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  Is Ray Franz still living?

  by hungry4life in

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  a friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.

  she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.

  she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.

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  MadApostate

  U.R. aLiar:

  My response is still the same:

  You are a fuckin' LIAR!!!

  You can make all the lameass excuses you want, but as I have already pointed out, it is ludicrious to think that all of these "HUNDREDS" of cases could be hidden away without there being a publicity trail from the time period when such court documents are publicly accessible.

  Your allegations are nothing but fodder for the all too plentiful "conspiracy theorists" here.

  You are nothing but a "memorial" to the dishonesty exemplified by all too many XJWs here.

  Hopefully, there are one or two folks left here that also knows you are a dishonest con-artist.
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  Just an update for you all!!!

  by HyTech in

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  my wife just called me at work to inform me the same 2 elders that paid us a visit the other night stopped by this morning ( while i wasn't home, of course!).

  they said they wanted to talk to her about the way she felt about the organization.

  she basically said the same things i did and they told her that there would be a letter of disassociation read at the next meeting.

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  MadApostate

  Anyone interested in the letter should refer to this thread, which discusses some "possible" modifications.

  . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18983&site=3
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  Just an update for you all!!!

  by HyTech in

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  my wife just called me at work to inform me the same 2 elders that paid us a visit the other night stopped by this morning ( while i wasn't home, of course!).

  they said they wanted to talk to her about the way she felt about the organization.

  she basically said the same things i did and they told her that there would be a letter of disassociation read at the next meeting.

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  MadApostate

  Aroarer:

  Feel free to use it verbatim, or modify it to your own circumstances.

  That's why I composed and posted it, so folks could have something which would grab-by-the-nuts obnoxious, arrogant, know-it-all Elders.
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  Re: Mad Apostate's form letter

  by Mulan in

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  in regards to the following letter, that mad apostate posted last week: .

  to whom it may concern: .

  your harassing inquiries into our personal affairs are not welcomed, and any further attempts at such will result in legal action against the individual harassers, the --city--, --state-- congregation of jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, inc., and all associated watchower legal entities.

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  MadApostate

  Mulan:

  Please allow me to comment on the comments.

  1. Where your address is referred to, put your actual address, and work address, if applicable. Also the address of the congregation, when referenced.

  I see no reason to include the address of the cong in the "body" of the letter. I included the Cong Address in the letter's "heading", which you did not include in this excerpt.

  His suggestion to specifically list your residential address (I assume he refers to the "trespass" paragraph) is not a good one in my opinion, since you might move at a later time. I stayed "generic" for a reason.

  His suggestion to specifically list any "applicable" "work address" is flat out wrong, unless of course you are self-employed. You can't forbid someone to enter your employer's property. He misses the purpose of this paragraph, which is to deter the elders from visiting, callng, or emailing. Any attempt to communicate off-premises is detered generally in the opening paragraph.

  2. Name all elders in the congregation, at the appropriate place.

  While there is nothing wrong with doing so, my general phrase "individual harassers" was, again, intentionally selected, because it covers not only the lders, but also the MSs, as well as their wives, or any other busybodies in the cong.

  3. Refer to previous visits by elders, very specifically: dates, names, etc.

  Again, I prefer to stay "general", versus "specific", in order to keep them guessing about what's going on in your thoughts.

  4. In the paragraph about "if an announcement is made about disassociation or disfellowshipping": Say this: ".........announcement, or written statment is circulated, it will be considered a slanderous statement, a defamation of my character, meant to alienate me from my family, children, and friends.

  Again, being "specific" by identifying the legal theory(ies) which my "general" threat of "legal action" encompasses serves no purpose but to allow them to dispute (even if only to themselves) that an announcement constitutes "slander". (IT DOESN'T) Stay GENERAL, and keep them guessing what type of legal theories might apply.
  
  

  5. Send the letter by registered mail, AND regular mail to any elder.

  I included the registered mail recc in my opening comments, which were not included here.

  With regard to his comment that "you can sue" if they proceed, sure you can, just don't hope to win!!!
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  951 BILLION?

  by Jourles in

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  where exactly did this figure come from?

  doing a search for "billion" does not pull up any posts whatsoever on this site.

  (search engine faulty right now?).

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  MadApostate

  Why didn't you have the guts to directly quote the FOOL that keeps posting that figure.
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  Is Ray Franz still living?

  by hungry4life in

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  a friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.

  she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.

  she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.

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  LisaDumbHeifer:

  Maybe everyone should stick with your legal brilliance:

  . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18943&site=3

  The funny part is, since he sent it via US MAIL, it could be argued that he was attempting to bribe officials, which could potentially make it a punishable offense. You are not allowed to use the USMAIL for criminal activity. Which is why FEDEX and AIRBORNE have gotten so big so fast. They are private companies, and I could send you a bribe via FedEx all day and there's not a damn thing you could do about it, LOL.
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  Is Ray Franz still living?

  by hungry4life in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.

  she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.

  she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.

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  MadApostate

  U.R. aLiar:

  You can stop dragging that "I'll get fired" red herring across your trail of crap anytime now, because the main crap stinks worse!

  Most folks know that "courthouse reporters" sift through all flings of (especially) FEDERAL LAWSUITS, just looking for "juicy stories" of people suing churches and religious orgs for liability, tort, fraud, and many others, including molestation!

  IF hundreds of such lawsuits had been fied against the WTS, then not just one, not just two, not just a handful, BUT DOZENS would have made it ito the newspapers

  I have no doubt that the PACER system is full of references to the WTS. The WTS has been involved in many constitutional cases, which went throuh many levels of the court system. They have also filed ac briefs in many cases whose outcome would affect them. There likely has been a few business "contract" cases filed over the years, also.

  BUT, that's not what you have expressed or implied, IS IT?

  OR IS IT, 'OL DISHONEST ONE?

  [quote]... And I told everyone what I found. Hundreds of lawsuits, rangingin categories from liability, tort, fraud, and many others, including molestation!

  Let me guess. 99% of the "hundreds" of cases you are referring to as "many others" are the Constitutional cases everyone knows about, with the remaining 1% being the "juicy" cases we discuss here practically every day.

  I HOPE POSTING HERE ALL AFTERNOON LONG DOESN"T GET YOU FIRED!!!
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  Is Ray Franz still living?

  by hungry4life in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.

  she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.

  she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.

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  MadApostate

  ... And I told everyone what I found. Hundreds of lawsuits, rangingin categories from liability, tort, fraud, and many others, including molestation!

  The ONLY information I did NOT supply was material taken form actual court documents on archive, since that would lead to an investigation and my firing.

  WHAT A FUCKIN' LIAR!!!

  You didn't supply ANYTHING except an unbelievable ALLEGATION substantiated only by another posting account. Hell, if that's proof, then CT Russell was an Illuminati!

  HUNDREDS of lawsuits, but all the documentation is "sealed"???

  HORSESHIT!!! The filings, etc of any such suits were accessible to the Press (and general public) and IF HUNDREDS existed, there would be all kinds of info on the internet despite any subsequent "sealing".

  Hell, the Conspiracy Theorists tell a better tale than you!!!
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  Is Ray Franz still living?

  by hungry4life in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.

  she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.

  she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.

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  MadApostate

  URidicuous:

  It is his right to choose.

  NO SHIT???

  Is "Utopian Reformist" one of Marvin Shilmer's posting accounts?

  Both of you introduce "OBVIOUS GIVENS" into your arguments as if the person you are writing to somehow disagrees with such.

  OBVIOUSLY, RF has the right to exercise the full extent of his legal rights, JUST AS I HAVE THE RIGHT to judge this particular action as being JUST PLAIN STUPID from a business standpoint.

  You forget, I am employed by the Judicial Branch, United States Courts in the District of Massachusetts. I have access to a variety of libraries, software, tools etc.. I have access to WestLaw, Lexis-Nexis and a host of others, as well as Supreme Court Decisions and published opinions. I don't have to be an atorney, or hire one to do research!

  While I don't doubt that you work for some part of the system you mention, I believe that this makes at least 3 different locations you have referred to since you have been posting here.

  As for having access to all those legal libraries, SUCH is meaningless if you don't have the ability to interpret what you read.

  I seem to recall that this "UR" character conveniently showed up on the Board just aboutthe same time that Bowen was prepping everyone for the announcement of the BERRY LAWSUIT filing.

  I also seem to recall that your appearance was followed with an amazing announcement that you were an employee of the fed court system who had access to all you restate above, WITH THE ALLEGATION that you had seen HUNDREDS of LAWSUITS in the system which had been filed against the WTS.

  Then, when I asked you to PROVE IT, all the sudden you can't do anythin because it might cost you your job.

  WHAT A JOKE!!! Like posting here all day long is OK, but to provide PROOF of your wild-ass claims is too much.

  As ANYONE who has done any amount of research knows, if there were HUNDREDS of lawsuits filed against the WTS, there would be trails on the internet from their path through the court system, as well as News Articles.

  GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
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  Is Ray Franz still living?

  by hungry4life in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend of mine has been sharing her doubts about the organization with me for the last year.

  she read both of ray franz's books and found that they were interesting and dealt with many of the questions she had.

  she then wrote to the society anonymously and explained why she could not in good conscience preach regarding 1914 ( she used my p.o.

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  MadApostate

  UR:

  No, it is you that doesn't understand, just like others here that think they are legal experts 'cause they know where the courthouse is.

  You overlook my acknowledgment of RF's "property rights" contained in my second paragraph, and the OBVIOUS implication that every person has the legal right to exercise such. (Someone who actually has the legal knowledge that you don't, but think you do, would have understood such.)

  Then you further are unable to understand that the balance of my post questions the "business soundness" of RF's demand for Randy (and probably others) to remove EXCERPTS from his/their sites.

  Randy recently posted a good article on COPYRIGHT LAW. I suggest that you find it and read it. As a copyright holder, RF DOES NOT exercise total control over every EXCERPT from his publications.