Posts by MadApostate

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Reseach help needed re: Thailand and JWs

by CatholicGuy in

well, yesterday i unearthed the correspondence a friend and i had with the thailand bible society re: the wts doing a press run of bibles for the thailand bible society with no wt imprint on them.

(the society printed some with the wt imprint on them and then did a run of bibles for the thailand bible society with only the thailand bible society imprint on them and no mention made they were printed by the wts.

) i'm making arrangements to make this info public.

MadApostate

I thought that the previously posted emails from TBS indicated that they held the copyright on the Thai version of the KJV, but that the TBS had ran out of stock of the Thai KJV due to their preference for a newer Thai version.

Evidently, the WTS reached an agreement with TBS whereby the WTS would reprint the older Thai KJV, with TBS receiving an unknown quantity as compensation for allowing the WTS to print an unknown quantity for WTS use.

I don't see the BIG SCANDAL here?
The WTS "paid" a rightful copyright holder "in-kind", rather than writing a check.

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Lloyds Refuses To Insure WTS

by ISP in

jw
friends

er...i got this.. london, nov 15 (reuters) - lloyd's of london, the global insurance market, said on thursday it will not quote for several risks proposed to them by the watchtower bible tract society(wts).. the 300 year old insurance market, facing its biggest ever single loss of 1.3 billion pounds ($1.87 billion) from the november 11th attacks on the world trade centre has apparently adopted a safety first approach.. a lloyds representative said we were prepared to quote for their buildings insurance but there were certain aspects of the deal we could not entertain.

he added they wanted us to insure them against the financial consequences of making false prophecies.

we were advised that this may not be viable in view of the past history.

MadApostate

Guys it is a parody. Thanks Farkel for pointing that out! The WTC happening days ago should have done it for most!
ISP

Yeh, "Thanks Farkel" for your brilliance! None of the previous posters or viewers had figured it out until you graced the thread with your presence.

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Russell's Will

by radar in

jw
friends

having at various times during past years donated to the watch tower bible and tract society all of my personal possessions except a small personal bank account of approximately two hundred dollars, in the exchange national bank of pittsburgh, which will properly be paid over to my wife if she survives me, i have merely love and christian good wishes to leave to all of the dear members of the bible house familyand all other dear colaborers in the harvest workyea, for all of the household of faith in every place who call upon the name of the lord jesus as their redeemer.

however, in view of the fact that in donating the journal zions watch tower, the old theology quarterly and the copyrights of the millennial dawn scripture studies books and various other booklets, hymn-books, etc., to the watch tower bible and tract society, i did so with the explicit understanding that i should have full control of all the interests of these publications during my life time, and that after my decease they should be conducted according to my wishes.

i now herewith set forth the said wishesmy will respecting the sameas follows: .

MadApostate

RoRo & Farkel:

After you two finish your "after 69ing" cigarettes, swish and rinse, and then maybe either or both of you can address the issues you conveniently ignore by attacking "motive".

You two sound like my JW relatives when I tell them about the UN fiasco. Rather than deal with the facts which occurred, their first response is to attack the motives of those who discovered the info.

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Russell's Will

by radar in

jw
friends

having at various times during past years donated to the watch tower bible and tract society all of my personal possessions except a small personal bank account of approximately two hundred dollars, in the exchange national bank of pittsburgh, which will properly be paid over to my wife if she survives me, i have merely love and christian good wishes to leave to all of the dear members of the bible house familyand all other dear colaborers in the harvest workyea, for all of the household of faith in every place who call upon the name of the lord jesus as their redeemer.

however, in view of the fact that in donating the journal zions watch tower, the old theology quarterly and the copyrights of the millennial dawn scripture studies books and various other booklets, hymn-books, etc., to the watch tower bible and tract society, i did so with the explicit understanding that i should have full control of all the interests of these publications during my life time, and that after my decease they should be conducted according to my wishes.

i now herewith set forth the said wishesmy will respecting the sameas follows: .

MadApostate

Farkel:

You rationalized:

Even so, when challenged he freely admitted that there was "nothing on paper" regarding JFR's alleged dismissal.

Don't you think that it is incumbent on a supposed "historian", when making an allegation which he knows cannot be substantiated, to warn his audience of such in the initial presentation, rather than waiting to see if his word will be accepted as gospel due to his "established crediblity", and then only acknowledging such WHEN CHALLENGED?

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Russell's Will

by radar in

jw
friends

having at various times during past years donated to the watch tower bible and tract society all of my personal possessions except a small personal bank account of approximately two hundred dollars, in the exchange national bank of pittsburgh, which will properly be paid over to my wife if she survives me, i have merely love and christian good wishes to leave to all of the dear members of the bible house familyand all other dear colaborers in the harvest workyea, for all of the household of faith in every place who call upon the name of the lord jesus as their redeemer.

however, in view of the fact that in donating the journal zions watch tower, the old theology quarterly and the copyrights of the millennial dawn scripture studies books and various other booklets, hymn-books, etc., to the watch tower bible and tract society, i did so with the explicit understanding that i should have full control of all the interests of these publications during my life time, and that after my decease they should be conducted according to my wishes.

i now herewith set forth the said wishesmy will respecting the sameas follows: .

MadApostate

Farkel:

Nice "concluding" paragraph:

I don't see what your problem is here, unless you are just in an arguing mood or want to nit-pik over nuances.

Kinda reminds me of how Tina performs this maneveur in similar circ.

Anyway..., you post:

Ok.
: Russell who owned at least 51 percent of the voting shares, left them with thse sisters.
Russell stated many times that he had controlling interest in the society. His Will stated:
"I have already donated to the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY all my voting shares therein, putting the same in the hands of five Trustees, as follows: Sr. E. Louise Hamilton Sr. Almeta M. Nation Robison, Sr. J. G. Herr, Sr. C. Tomlins, Sr. Alice G. James."
Presumably "Sr." means "Sister" since the older literature used "Br" to refer to a "Brother." Are you asserting that "Louise", "Almeta" and "Alice" were men?

I will give you another try at this, with a hint:

Reread the first 3 statements in the excerpted quote VERY SLOWWWLY, and tell us whether they are consistant, that is, "make sense".

Now try this statement:

: He then took the shares for himself, gauranteeing himself victory in 1917, 1918 and 1919. After that, the board was dissolved and Rutherford became the king for life.

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Russell's Will

by radar in

jw
friends

having at various times during past years donated to the watch tower bible and tract society all of my personal possessions except a small personal bank account of approximately two hundred dollars, in the exchange national bank of pittsburgh, which will properly be paid over to my wife if she survives me, i have merely love and christian good wishes to leave to all of the dear members of the bible house familyand all other dear colaborers in the harvest workyea, for all of the household of faith in every place who call upon the name of the lord jesus as their redeemer.

however, in view of the fact that in donating the journal zions watch tower, the old theology quarterly and the copyrights of the millennial dawn scripture studies books and various other booklets, hymn-books, etc., to the watch tower bible and tract society, i did so with the explicit understanding that i should have full control of all the interests of these publications during my life time, and that after my decease they should be conducted according to my wishes.

i now herewith set forth the said wishesmy will respecting the sameas follows: .

MadApostate

Farkel:

Thanks for demonstrating how you parse my posts, yet continue to give your buddies every benefit of the doubt.

SORRY, but RoRo did make the statement in this thread that I attributed to him regarding JFR's alleged dismissal. Check out RR's first post:

Truth is Russell did not care for Rutherford and even dismissed him from Bethel in 1915.

While you are at it, please give us your opinion of how accurate are these statements by RoRo, again found in that post that you can't find:

Russell who owned at least 51 percent of the voting shares, left them with thse sisters. They were deemed invalid by Rutherford, as he felt sisters should not vote. He then took the shares for himself, gauranteeing himself victory in 1917, 1918 and 1919. After that, the board was dissolved and Rutherford became the king for life.

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Russell's Will

by radar in

jw
friends

having at various times during past years donated to the watch tower bible and tract society all of my personal possessions except a small personal bank account of approximately two hundred dollars, in the exchange national bank of pittsburgh, which will properly be paid over to my wife if she survives me, i have merely love and christian good wishes to leave to all of the dear members of the bible house familyand all other dear colaborers in the harvest workyea, for all of the household of faith in every place who call upon the name of the lord jesus as their redeemer.

however, in view of the fact that in donating the journal zions watch tower, the old theology quarterly and the copyrights of the millennial dawn scripture studies books and various other booklets, hymn-books, etc., to the watch tower bible and tract society, i did so with the explicit understanding that i should have full control of all the interests of these publications during my life time, and that after my decease they should be conducted according to my wishes.

i now herewith set forth the said wishesmy will respecting the sameas follows: .

MadApostate

Farkel:

Yet, RR prefaced his contestible statements with these words:
"there is nothing on paper," "it is 'rumored'," "it has been rumored," "there have been rumors," "I was told of a story of Rutherford," "I did not say I believed Russell was poisoned. Someone else made that assertion, I merely carried it over with my thoughts."
Why do you then DEMAND evidence from him, when he clearly showed he could not produce any?

None of RR's "hedging" that you quote are in reference to the 2 issues that I questioned:

-RR's statement that Wordworth financed the FM, and

-RR's statement that Russell dismissed JFR from Bethel in 1915.

I think you are over-reacting, MadApostate. If you have a personal grudge against RR for whatever reason, that shouldn't taint your arguments.

NICE redherring and misdirection! Again, why is your nose up RR's ass?

I first was aquainted with RR by reading his posts here at JWcom, and I finally got tired and fed up seeing him repeatedly trounce truth/facts!

All your "opining" about Woodworth goes directly against his sworn trial testimony. Reread the transcript!

PS: Take a firm grip on each of RR's cheeks, exhale, push hard, and your head should pop right out.

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Russell's Will

by radar in

jw
friends

having at various times during past years donated to the watch tower bible and tract society all of my personal possessions except a small personal bank account of approximately two hundred dollars, in the exchange national bank of pittsburgh, which will properly be paid over to my wife if she survives me, i have merely love and christian good wishes to leave to all of the dear members of the bible house familyand all other dear colaborers in the harvest workyea, for all of the household of faith in every place who call upon the name of the lord jesus as their redeemer.

however, in view of the fact that in donating the journal zions watch tower, the old theology quarterly and the copyrights of the millennial dawn scripture studies books and various other booklets, hymn-books, etc., to the watch tower bible and tract society, i did so with the explicit understanding that i should have full control of all the interests of these publications during my life time, and that after my decease they should be conducted according to my wishes.

i now herewith set forth the said wishesmy will respecting the sameas follows: .

MadApostate

Farkel:

You said:

With regards to RR's statement that Woodworth "financed" the FM, I consider that to be either an honest mistake or sloppy wording.

GIVE ME A BREAK! Go back through the three links/threads and see if you notice a trend. RoRo is supposed to be "some kind" of WTS historian. Someone with your background should not be giving this jerk any break, much less making excuses for him.

Woodworth probably didn't have any money, but it is possible that he could have raised the money to pay for the printing of the book.

Again, someone with your WTS history knowledge should know better than opine the above.

RR clarified his original statement about Woodworth, did he not?

HE DID NOT!!! Just like many of his previous responses in the other threads, after having his hand called for erroneous statements, 'ol RoRo trys to blurr the original issue or statement.

And I don't plan to "relax" when some BS Hypocrite is on here using this forum to denounce people and an Org who are/is his ideological kinfolk.

Why is it that you cut noone else any slack, but bend-over backwards for this habitual LIAR?

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Russell's Will

by radar in

jw
friends

having at various times during past years donated to the watch tower bible and tract society all of my personal possessions except a small personal bank account of approximately two hundred dollars, in the exchange national bank of pittsburgh, which will properly be paid over to my wife if she survives me, i have merely love and christian good wishes to leave to all of the dear members of the bible house familyand all other dear colaborers in the harvest workyea, for all of the household of faith in every place who call upon the name of the lord jesus as their redeemer.

however, in view of the fact that in donating the journal zions watch tower, the old theology quarterly and the copyrights of the millennial dawn scripture studies books and various other booklets, hymn-books, etc., to the watch tower bible and tract society, i did so with the explicit understanding that i should have full control of all the interests of these publications during my life time, and that after my decease they should be conducted according to my wishes.

i now herewith set forth the said wishesmy will respecting the sameas follows: .

MadApostate

BTTT

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Seeing Afghan women again worth the war

by Eyebrow in

jw
friends

this may seem trivial to some that do not agree with the us going after the taliban by bombing afghanastan, but i had to make a comment.. i watched the news the other day and saw for the first time, women and girls in afghanastan outside, and many showing their facs and smiling.

there are a few that have been able to return to work after 5 long years.

kids are now allowed to fly kites again, and you could hear music playing.. these are things that i, and many others i am sure, have taken for granted since we are so free in this country.

MadApostate

This is somewhat off-topic, but when I saw the title of this thread, I thought the topic would be similar to the early-1990s Iraqi Women are SCUDS jokes.

However, those do not necessarily hold true for many of the Afghanis.

In 1997, I met an Afghani "lady" Doctor, who had fled to the US after the Taliban took power, and SHE WAS AN ABSOLUTE KNOCKOUT!