http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18631&site=3.
the "christian longo" drama has been on television and in the newspapers now for about a week, and will stay in the headlines until he is captured.. the xjw community ****now**** has a good opportunity to communicate with reporters to explain that jw shunning may very well have been the driving force behind longo's downhill slid which finally climaxed in an act of mass-murder.. per the news articles, longo's initial problems appear to have been "financial".
such problems could have been dealt with if longo's parent's would simply have offered and provided financial assistance.
Mooooooo!!!!
... I would have you on fucking slander charges so fast your head would spin.
That's a new one to me.
Do the cops just write me a ticket, or do they arrest me "on slander charges" if I say LDH is a "ignorant idiot"?
Ooooops! Poor example, the truth is an absolute defense.
Well, you get the point.
Please explain...
my wife just called me at work to inform me the same 2 elders that paid us a visit the other night stopped by this morning ( while i wasn't home, of course!).
they said they wanted to talk to her about the way she felt about the organization.
she basically said the same things i did and they told her that there would be a letter of disassociation read at the next meeting.
Thanks to all who took the time to offer a compliment. I am racking my brain to come up with a post to make you regret that indiscretion. I'm sure that I won't be long.
Please note that I have edited the letter somewhat, particularly correcting an "is" to "are".
I would suggest that folks amend the wording to their own liking and unique circumstances.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18631&site=3.
the "christian longo" drama has been on television and in the newspapers now for about a week, and will stay in the headlines until he is captured.. the xjw community ****now**** has a good opportunity to communicate with reporters to explain that jw shunning may very well have been the driving force behind longo's downhill slid which finally climaxed in an act of mass-murder.. per the news articles, longo's initial problems appear to have been "financial".
such problems could have been dealt with if longo's parent's would simply have offered and provided financial assistance.
LisaDumbHeifer (and U.R.Stupid):
I see that you are still seeing red from that spanking you took on your idiotic thread re "CircuitLeasing".
Anyone with elementary school level reading and comprehension skills can read my initial post and see that I said:
... JW SHUNNING may very well have been the driving forcebehind Longo's downhill slid which finally climaxed in an act of mass-murder.I further stated:
... me suspects that Longo's Elder-father likely followed the WTS's unwritten/unadvertised policy of "total shunning".
Further, anyone with half a brain will understand that the only way it will ever be determined if "shunning" was partially responsible for Longo's mental state will be for such "angle" to be investigated by members of the media.
AND, for that to happen, someone has to point them in that direction.
NOW, GO CHANGE A DIAPER!!!
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18631&site=3.
the "christian longo" drama has been on television and in the newspapers now for about a week, and will stay in the headlines until he is captured.. the xjw community ****now**** has a good opportunity to communicate with reporters to explain that jw shunning may very well have been the driving force behind longo's downhill slid which finally climaxed in an act of mass-murder.. per the news articles, longo's initial problems appear to have been "financial".
such problems could have been dealt with if longo's parent's would simply have offered and provided financial assistance.
Would those who have some of the lessor known xjw websites (ie pages that might not show up on a search) please post links to some good "shunning" stories to which Reporters could be linked.
fbi wanted poster:.
- http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=38050.
newport, or - the hunt for christian longo is going on national television.
Arrest Warrant Issued for Father
December 29, 2001, 05:15 PM
By Abe Estimada, Doug Irving and Kyle Iboshi, KGW Staff
A nationwide manhunt has turned up no trace of Christian Longo, the Oregon man charged with killing his wife and three young children.
The FBI issued a national fugitive warrant for Longo, as police in Newport searched the bay and marina near where Longo lived with his family. Prosecutors said they believe Longo is on the run, but said they still have no motive for the murders.
Longo has been missing since his son, Zachary, was found floating in a coastal slough. His daughter, Sadie, was found a few days later. Divers pulled his wife, MaryJane, and two-year-old daughter, Madison, from the cold waters of Yaquina Bay late Thursday.
Longo was last seen in the San Francisco area as late as Dec. 26, police said. The FBI called him a fugitive who had crossed state lines and could be armed and dangerous.
Neighbors in the tight coastal town of Newport remembered the Longos as a regular family that showed no signs of trouble. Christian Longo rented a Newport condo and worked at a coffee stand in a Fred Meyer store. His children spent much of their time reading and working on puzzles at the Newport library.
Lincoln County authorities have given few details about the homicides, releasing photographs of the Longo family and confirming the identities of MaryJane, 35, and her children.
Shaken Newport residents left teddy bears, flowers, balloons and a photograph of the three young children in a makeshift memorial on a dock near the Embarcadero resort.
Divers searched near the Embarcadero because it is close to Christian's last known residence. Neighbors said Christian had lived in a condominium, very close to where MaryJane and Madison were found.
Christian told neighbors he worked for Qwest as a surveyor, but he instead worked for the Newport Fred Meyer. He also told neighbors he had two children when in fact he had three.
"He kept his story pretty good," said Newport resident Sarah Johnson. "He said he was from Michigan or wherever, but then come to find out, he was living in Waldport and everywhere else… (it's) just twisted."
The Detroit Free Press reported Friday that Longo had been named in six civil suits seeking more than $30,000 and is wanted on two warrants in Michigan. The warrants included one for violating probation for forging checks and one on a charge of larceny by conversion.
The Free Press reported that for six weeks in June and July 2000, Longo printed checks that looked nearly identical to the ones written from a builder's bank account. The fake checks included bar codes and check numbers, and the checks were made out to his construction cleaning company for amounts of $2,786 and $3,908.
The builder's wife noticed the fake checks because they were a different color from the real checks, and Longo was typically paid in the hundreds of dollars, not in the thousands.
The Ann Arbor News in Michigan reported that the Longos left a total of $60,000 in debt out of Washtenaw County.
Other details in the Free Press and Ann Arbor reports included:
• The Ypsilanti District Court tried to repossess Longo's car in September to repay $5,000 owed to Merchandise Brokers, Inc. When Longo defaulted on his $431 monthly payments for his leased 1999 Dodge Durango, the court garnished his tax refund. The Longos, however, had left the state.
• Longo was convicted in October 2000 for forging $30,000 in checks from builders in Saline, Mich. He stopped reported to his probation officer in Ann Arbor and is wanted on a warrant in Washtenaw County. Longo was last seen on May 21 and missed his June 11 and July 2 meetings.
• Longo also is wanted on a December 2000 warrant out of Pittsfield Township for allegedly using a bad check to buy a $3,000 trailer.
• Longo still owes restitution of $950 a month for another 33 months plus another $30 a month in supervision fees, according to the Michigan Department of Corrections. Longo doesn't appear to have showed up for any court-ordered community service.
The Detroit newspaper also reported that MaryJane's siblings in Michigan noticed she was missing in August and feared for her safety. A sister filed a missing person's report in Toledo, Ohio.
At a news conference prior to the discovery of the latest victims, Lincoln County Sheriff John O'Brien said there was nothing to justify naming anyone as a homicide suspect.
The police are also looking for the family's green Dodge Durango with Michigan license plates. Lincoln County authorities searched the Longo residence in Newport Wednesday but declined to say what they found. Evidence is being processed at the state police crime lab.
An affidavit filed in Lincoln County Circuit Court outlining the search was ordered sealed by Judge Thomas E. Branford.
fbi wanted poster:.
- http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=38050.
newport, or - the hunt for christian longo is going on national television.
'America's Most Wanted' Puts Heat on Hunt for Longo
January 3, 2002, 11:00 AM
By Teresa Bell,
kgw.com Staff
The well-known anchor of the national television program "America's Most Wanted" is putting pressure on Christian Longo, the Oregon man accused of killing his entire family.
John Walsh said, in an interview on KGW-TV, that "America's Most Wanted" will send a strong message out to Longo in an upcoming program: "Don't do the dumb thing, surrender right now. Turn yourself in before you destroy somebody else's life."
Authorities across the nation began searching for Longo after his wife and three children turned up dead in waters along the Oregon coast last month.
Considered "Extremely Dangerous"
"Killing three beautiful young children, he is a very dangerous, psychotic person. I'm really surprised he's been out there this long," Walsh said. "It's pretty obvious that this guy is very smart and he has been able to stay out there way longer than anybody thought he could."
The segment on "America's Most Wanted" will be ready for broadcast on January 12th. Walsh said the FBI asked for help from his crime-fighting program because Longo is considered "extremely dangerous".
"Our responsibility is to help local authorities in Oregon find Longo and arrest him and return him to Oregon to face the local charges," said Charles Matthews, with the Portland division of the FBI.
New Twist in Search
The FBI is also focusing on fast food restaurants and coffee shops across the nation.
Mathews said Longo has a history of working in fast food restaurants, and he may have taken a job somewhere in the country after leaving Newport. Longo worked at a Starbucks coffee shop inside a Fred Meyer grocery store in Newport last fall.
Crime Scenes
Investigators made the heartbreaking discovery of the bodies of Christian's wife MaryJane Longo and two-year-old daughter Madison in Yaquina Bay on December 27th. The other children, Zachary and Sadie were found in Alsea Bay in Waldport a week earlier.
Crews from "America's Most Wanted" traveled to both locations to videotape the scenes. They also interviewed investigators and people who knew the family.
Now, relatives of MaryJane Longo are coming forward to talk about the case.
Relatives Horrified
"It tears at parts of your heart you never knew it could hurt," said Mark Baker, MaryJane's brother.
MaryJane and Christian were married for nine years. During that time, Christian developed a rap sheet for writing bad checks and building up tens of thousands of dollars in debts. "He's been able to con a lot of people out of different things. This is his hidden past," Walsh said.
"Baker (center) and his family are horrified over what happened.
"Three small innocent children… We just can't understand it. You look at your own and you think: 'how could anyone even think of doing something like that?'"
The manhunt has stretched from San Francisco, where he was spotted after Christmas, to as far away as Interstate 380 between Waterloo and Cedar Rapids, where people say they saw him on December 30th. Police think Christian was driving a green Dodge Durango.
The Lincoln County Sheriff's Department realized quickly it wouldn't be easy to track down their suspect. "We made a request to 'America's Most Wanted' for help, I believe through the FBI," explained Lt. Ed Stallard.
MaryJane Longo's relatives said they won't rest until Christian is found.
"We can't sleep at night, we're in fear ourselves. If he's capable of doing something like this, what else is he capable of?" said Baker.
Memorial Planned
A memorial service for the Longo family is scheduled for Friday at noon in Yaquina Bay State Park in Newport.
America's Most Wanted" anchor John Walsh also planned to appear on NBC's Today Show Thursday morning to put a spotlight on the investigation. But due to technical problems, his interview was canceled.
"If he (Longo) is still out there by next week, he will be the top of our show ("America's Most Wanted").
We are hoping that people will call in," Walsh said.
John Walsh Talks About Longo Case
streaming video:
. http://www.kgw.com/kgwnews/oregonwash_story.html?StoryID=34188
fbi wanted poster:.
- http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=38050.
newport, or - the hunt for christian longo is going on national television.
Longo mother, children were regulars at library
By Leslie O'Donnell
Of the News-Times
During their stay in Lincoln County, Mary Jane Longo, 35, and her three children, Zachary, 5; Sadie, 3; and Madison, 2, were almost daily visitors to the Newport Public Library.
Children's librarian Rebecca Cohen said the family visited the library often, and on occasion, Christian Michael Longo, 27, now wanted on seven counts of aggravated murder for the deaths of his wife and three children, would come to the library to pick them up.
Cohen said she did not have personal interaction with the Longos, but observed that Mary Jane appeared to be a loving parent who paid careful attention to her children. If the children were present during story times, they would attend the sessions as well.
She said the Newport Library is a comfortable, safe place for transient families, and noted that the Longo family appeared to be
transients.
"The children would play with the puzzles and the computers, and she would read to them," Cohen said.
"The baby would fall asleep."
She said Mary Jane Longo spent a lot of time visiting with and teaching the children as they played. She added that Mary Jane looked tired and and was quite shy and withdrawn, but was gradually becoming more outgoing.
"I would smile at them, and I learned the children's names," Cohen said. The family visited the library for about six weeks, and did not apply for library cards.
"(The mother) was so interactive with her babies," Cohen said. "This is almost too sad to bear."
Mary Jane Longo and her children also were occasional visitors to Contact Information and Referral Service in Newport.
Linda Cracknell, executive director of Contact, said Monday that the family stopped in to obtain clothes and to take showers.
"I found her really delightful," Cracknell said of Mary Jane. "The kids were delightful, and she really doted on them."
Cracknell said that Mary Jane and the children would come into the Contact warehouse, but Christian would usually remain in the car.
She said she would joke with Mary Jane, as she does with many women whose male partners remain outside while business is conducted, and suggest that he should come inside, also.
"She would tell me, `he´s my dreamer,´" Cracknell recalled.
A spokesperson for My Sisters' Place, formerly the Women's Violence Intervention Program, said she was not aware of any contacts the agency had with Mary Jane Longo.
. http://www.newportnewstimes.com/nt_news/general/nt_news-07.html
my wife just called me at work to inform me the same 2 elders that paid us a visit the other night stopped by this morning ( while i wasn't home, of course!).
they said they wanted to talk to her about the way she felt about the organization.
she basically said the same things i did and they told her that there would be a letter of disassociation read at the next meeting.
I'm not sure when "the next meeting" is, but if you want them off your back, try this:
(If you have time, I suggest spending a couple bucks and send this registered/certified mail.)
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January 3, 2002
--City--, --State-- Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
9234 Tyree Street
--City--, --State-- 00000
To Whom It May Concern:
Your harassing inquiries into our personal affairs are not welcomed, and any further attempts at such will result in legal action against the individual harassers, the --City--, --State-- Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Inc., and all associated Watchower legal entities.
To the best of our recollection, we have not participated in Field Service in approximately __ months, have attended no Meetings in approximately __ months, nor have we participated in any other activities which would specifically identify us as Jehovah's Witnesses during the same time period.
Based on these, and other facts, it is our position that the Watchtower organization has no legal right to inquire into our personal affairs, nor does it have the legal right to take any organizational action which would become public knowledge.
Nothing communicated previously, nor in this letter, nor any personal actions, are intended to be, nor should be construed as constituting what the Watchtower organization labels as "Disassociation".
If any public announcement is made by the Watchtower organization that we have chosen to "Disassociate" ourselves, or that we have been "Disfellowshipped", then we will proceed with legal action against the individual Elders, the --City--, --State-- Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Inc., and all associated Watchtower legal entities.
Hereafter, no agent or other representative of the Watchtower organization has permission to enter onto our residential property, nor communicate with us via telephone or email. Trespassers will be subject to criminal prosecution and civil liability.
If further communication is deemed necessary, please limit such to written letter transmitted via mail service. Such communication is not solicited, and we reserve the right to proceed with legal action if such communication violates our legal rights.
Respectfully,
________________________________
Joe Blow
________________________________
Jolene Blow
________________________________________
EDITED
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18631&site=3.
the "christian longo" drama has been on television and in the newspapers now for about a week, and will stay in the headlines until he is captured.. the xjw community ****now**** has a good opportunity to communicate with reporters to explain that jw shunning may very well have been the driving force behind longo's downhill slid which finally climaxed in an act of mass-murder.. per the news articles, longo's initial problems appear to have been "financial".
such problems could have been dealt with if longo's parent's would simply have offered and provided financial assistance.
YoYo recognizes that this IS a good opportunity for us, and simply wants to obscure the thread.
fbi wanted poster:.
- http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=38050.
newport, or - the hunt for christian longo is going on national television.
Naeb:
You are correct. The articles specifically point out the lack of any previous violence.
Of course, this DB is accustomed to ADipShit not only getting the facts wrong, but also missing the point.
Christian Longo was a poster-child JW until a few years ago, when he went into a head-long slide which eventually climaxed in mass-murder. His financial problems are not unique, and typically do not lead to this extreme. I speculate that being shunned by his JWElder parents may have pushed him over the edge, or at a minimum, the parents were not there to help him when he needed them most.
There's a good JW story here if the media can just be motivated sufficiently to investigate such.
