wolfman - be interesting to see what it ends up selling at. 25 dollars currently with 15 hours to go.
cobweb
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman insome people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.
some people don't.. does morality exist?
if so, prove it..
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cobweb
I understand what you mean about tatoos because as a witness i thought of it as a defilement of our God made bodies. But there is no harm involved to others so there is nothing 'wrong' in it once you abandon belief in a set of external religious rules of behaviour. Now, after being out of that witness mindset for many years, tatoos don't bother me. I wouldn't like on myself particularly but that's just a matter of personal taste. Tastes are fluid. Other cultures like the Maori seem to love them and that is fine and dandy. Tatoos are nothing to do with morality.
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If Apostle Paul had been living in our time, would he have written certain things he did?
by venus in1) he wrote woman are not qualified to teach (1 corinthians 14:34).
in my experience, i have been taught by both teachers—male and female.
some of the female teachers were too wonderfully effective.
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cobweb
Many biblical scholars dispute whether certain so called Pauline letters were written by him. Timothy is heavily disputed, believed to be written later in the 2nd Century when the role of women became much more supressed. It is in 1 Timothy 2 where it commands that women not teach, assume authority over a man and must be quiet.
While 1 Corinthians is undisputed by scholars as being a genuine letter of Paul, there are those who believe that the part of 1 Corinthans 14 which talks about women is a later addition. There is no definitive evidence for it, but I find the argument quite persuasive.
See this thread from this board from 6 years ago on the subject.
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An unusual question
by no-zombie ini have an unusual question.. and it is ... who actually owns and runs this site?.
with no ads ... how does it keep going?.
no-zombie.
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cobweb
Yes i use it too, although i wouldn't feel too good about it in this case. Presumably the ads do help Simon offset the cost of running the site otherwise he wouldn't do it, so you could see putting the site on the ad block white list and living with the ads as your contribution to keeping the site going. I haven't done this, i'm just saying.
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An unusual question
by no-zombie ini have an unusual question.. and it is ... who actually owns and runs this site?.
with no ads ... how does it keep going?.
no-zombie.
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cobweb
I guess now you know your ad block is working.
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Why do some British journalists ...
by LoveUniHateExams in... go full retard whenever an arabic name appears on the autocue, and 'give it the full arabic', so to speak?.
rageh omar is a british somali of sunni muslim heritage so it's understandable when he pronounces arabic names with an arabic pronunciation/accent.. but what about people who have nothing to do with arabic - huw edwards, emily maitlis, moira stewart, etc.?
they don't speak arabic, do they?.
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cobweb
I would think the fact that the BBC broadcasts worldwide - there is the BBC world service on the radio of course, it must make them particularly fastidious with getting pronunciation consistent across their network.
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Why do some British journalists ...
by LoveUniHateExams in... go full retard whenever an arabic name appears on the autocue, and 'give it the full arabic', so to speak?.
rageh omar is a british somali of sunni muslim heritage so it's understandable when he pronounces arabic names with an arabic pronunciation/accent.. but what about people who have nothing to do with arabic - huw edwards, emily maitlis, moira stewart, etc.?
they don't speak arabic, do they?.
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cobweb
reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnAV30z8xBE
personally i do say the gutteral gogh, i think Americans tend to say van go don't they. How would you say jalapeño pepper or the names jose and juan?
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So today this happened...
by Phoebe inyou all pretty much know my story so i won't repeat it but.... to say i'm being hounded by my local congregation is an understatement.
today the cobe finally found us in.
well, i refused to answer the door but my husband did.
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cobweb
Hey Phoebe,
I think your husband left the witnesses a long time ago, so the fact that he said these things does not necessarily reflect on you. It could just be his opinions couldn't it, and not your ones. It probably isn't a good idea for him to say these things all the same, if you are trying to fade out, as they may suspect you share these same issues.
The line you are trying to take is the right one. Post traumatic stress and anxiety are good excuses, as is depression, mental fatigue etc. As long as nothing you say smells of apostasy, criticism, looking at the internet etc. You said that you were planning to be firm and and ask them to leave you alone as you need space to try to sort out your issues, so they do not give you shepherding calls. This is all the correct approach, so you are doing it all right. Just maybe, talk to your husband, and instruct him in future not to engage with them again and not to let them in next time. I am sure it was hard for him to bite his tongue today, it is very understandable, but it is a bit counter-productive for you, if you want to fade rather than DA or be DF. It could be quite easy for him to accidentally let something slip about your views, so non engagement is best.
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last psychology session tomorrow
by Phoebe inso tomorrow is my last appointment with my psychologist.
we are going to commemorate it by giving each other a letter.. sept 2016 i sat, a quivering wreck, in her waiting room.
i was terrified.
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cobweb
I'm glad you are doing so well Phoebe. I very much enjoy your posts. You write very well - you come across as warm, fresh and open hearted.
I think, after being a witness and being told how you ought to be in order to be accepted by others, and restricting ones behavior and thought in order to accord with what is proper, one can become disconnected from ones true nature, thoughts and feelings. Forgive me if I sound presumptuous, but I get the sense you may have been suppressing your true self like a football held under the water and finally you have allowed that ball to pop up into the air and sunshine. And now you see and feel who and how you are without all the pressure of conformity. If that is how it is, then I expect it will be liberating and exciting feeling.
You said:
I have learnt I am not a bad person after all, in fact, I'm actually quite nice.
I can tell this about you, and as time goes on, you will continue to get to know qualities you like about yourself. You will find pleasure in that. You may also discover the odd negative quality, or thoughts or feelings in yourself that you would have been expected to suppress. You may feel angry thoughts for example. But you don't need to automatically suppress these. These are legitimate- they are a part of you, and can be accepted and looked at. It's just part of being human isn't it. This is all a much nicer way of being. And as it turns out, once all the external pressure to conform is taken away, and we stop suppressing ourselves, most of us discover we are pretty nice people, all on our own, and we are that way because we want to be, not because we are told to be.
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Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo
by darkspilver indaniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.
family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.
set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.
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cobweb
edit: sorry darksilver - I see you already posted this article.
Interesting to read more about the director's experience of being a JW. I hope to see some reviews of this soon.
Manchester-born, London-based writer-director Daniel Kokotajlo makes his feature directorial debut with Apostasy, which is receiving its world premiere in Toronto’s Discovery programme.
The story, set in Oldham, Greater Manchester, is about a devout Jehovah’s Witness who commits a transgression, forcing her mother and sister to persuade her to return to the faith or shun her completely.
While the storyline isn’t exactly autobiographical, it comes from a world Kokotajlo knows intimately, as he grew up in a Jehovah’s Witness family.
Kokotajlo, a 2015 Screen International Star of Tomorrow, has previously directed shorts include The Mess Hall Of An Online Warrior (which screened at SXSW) and Myra (which was longlisted for a BAFTA).
Marcie Maclellan and Andrea Cornwell (Suite Francaise) produce the film, which was made through the iFeatures low-budget filmmaking scheme, and backers are Creative England, BBC Films, BFI and Oldgarth Media. Executive producers are Christopher Moll, Steve Jenkins, Lizzie Francke, Jim Reeve and Christopher Granier-Deferre.
Apostasy premieres at TIFF on September 8 and Cornerstone Films is handling international sales. After Toronto, the film screens in San Sebastian’s New Directors Competition and in BFI London Film Festival’s First Feature Competition.
You used to do music and visual art, so how did you make the leap to film?
I was making hip-hop records when I was about 21, I was a Bible-bashing B-boy. Around this time, I discovered people like Mike Leigh and Karel Reisz existed. I then studied film in my mid-20s, at the MA screenwriting programme at the University of Westminster. I couldn’t afford to pay for it all at once so I studied part time and was selling paintings and juggling two jobs to pay for school.
Apostasy is about a young woman who leaves the Jehovah’s Witness faith. When did you leave the faith?
I was harbouring doubts since I went to college. I realised that people at college were interested in your opinion. That was a new concept to me because being a Witness it was always about reaffirming the text, group-think, it wasn’t about encouraging independent thought. I still went to Kingdom Hall [place of worship used by Jehovah’s Witnesses] all through uni, but I kept it quiet. I wanted to leave but that religious guilt was there and I couldn’t find a way to get out of it comfortably. It wasn’t until I moved away from my hometown that I stopped going.
How will Witnesses react to Apostasy?
I suspect they will ignore the film. Even the idea of making this film is controversial. The word ‘apostasy’ will raise an eyebrow within the Witnesses. But I’m hoping that if people in the faith watch this film and give it time, they will see it’s not critical of the Witnesses – it’s a film about people who stand up for what they believe in. Some ex-Witnesses I’ve spoken to are very angry about that part of their lives but I see it a bit more objectively.
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How did you cast the film?
I made a conscious choice to focus on working actors in the northwest, to show a film audience what these actors can do. We saw hundreds of people. It was about the right look and right feel and I didn’t want them to be odd looking, they needed to be relatable, honest people. With Siobhan [Finneran], I was a huge fan of hers from Rita, Sue And Bob Too and Happy Valley. [The mother] was a complex, tricky character and Siobhan understood straight away the humanity that the role needed. Even though she’s just turned 18, [the younger daughter] Alex couldn’t be too childlike, she had to be determined and strong willed; Molly [Wright] had that. For the older sister Luisa, we needed to find someone who was naturally playful and impulsive and Sacha [Parkinson] seemed to have that quality.
How did you prepare them to play their characters?
I had a few weeks with the actors. We had a private space where we sat together and chatted about it all, just so I could get across the logic of the Witnesses. It’s hard for secular people to understand that stuff, that you have to act in a way that goes against your natural instincts. Part of rehearsals was also focused on making these people human beings.
How did taking part in iFeatures help you on the film?
They’ve been very supportive, they gave me time and space to work on the script. I made a documentary at the beginning of the process about my life, so they could see the power and how personal the story was to me. They greenlit Apostasy before the script was totally in shape which was a real boost of confidence for me.
Without spoiling the ending, did the film always have to end this way?
I’ve always been interested in how far people will go for their faith or what they truly believe in. It felt like a natural progression, from what Alex deals with to what happens at the end. It’s the eternal versus the here and now. I hope people can empathise with the situation that the family are in. This is just one example of fundamentalism and what kind of hold it can have on people.
